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    Halfmoon- agree that OGS is prob a more adventurous choice than DM. The 38th min sub told me a lot about him.

    Maybe we do need someone like him.. But I think we would be folly to send DM on his way so soon. Just to see whether we are making a wrong decision since the club's gotta pay the rest of this contract to sack him anw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richiemccaw1 View Post
    Halfmoon- agree that OGS is prob a more adventurous choice than DM. The 38th min sub told me a lot about him.

    Maybe we do need someone like him.. But I think we would be folly to send DM on his way so soon. Just to see whether we are making a wrong decision since the club's gotta pay the rest of this contract to sack him anw.
    But we do not have any good choice of managers right now except Michael Laudrup which is not interest to take big club
    We will stick with DM untill end of the season and more season perhaps ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richiemccaw1 View Post
    Halfmoon- agree that OGS is prob a more adventurous choice than DM. The 38th min sub told me a lot about him.

    Maybe we do need someone like him.. But I think we would be folly to send DM on his way so soon. Just to see whether we are making a wrong decision since the club's gotta pay the rest of this contract to sack him anw.
    6 years contract and I think they will give him till mid of second season and decide...

    As at this moment, I hoping OGS can come good at Cardiff, and await the day he return.... JM also started wining with Porto in his homeland too... and OGS have a mini JM look... At least he have the "Da Jiang" air....

    At Espn... they calling DM Smeler...
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhirako View Post
    But we do not have any good choice of managers right now except Michael Laudrup which is not interest to take big club.

    We will stick with DM untill end of the season and more season perhaps ?
    I would prefer someone with Man U spirit... and only wait and hope OGS can do well with Cardiff...

    I think there's reason for his rolling contract... He does get a lot of backing from VT....

    In term of transfer... I thought Fellaini was not a good buy and he seems so out at OT.... hope he is not a waste of money...
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    He's money down the drain already. I'm still holding out hope that Kagawa will come good soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richiemccaw1 View Post
    He's money down the drain already. I'm still holding out hope that Kagawa will come good soon.
    Kagawa don't fit in DM template....

    He like bigger build players, height and strong and tough... Kagawa is a bit of the weaker side, short, but his trickery is renowned... very hard Kagawa will stay beyond this season.... Mata is not tall either, but he is able to handle better than Kagawa, who does get push over easily at times.

    That's why Smalling get ahead of Rafael at RB at times... He will not want his team without too much height.... especially against some hard team... like stoke...
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    Not qualifying for the Champions League is going to hurt United badly financially.... Hope the Club has started to formulate a plan B...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Not qualifying for the Champions League is going to hurt United badly financially.... Hope the Club has started to formulate a plan B...
    I think the Top Management need to look at a list of replacement and start Plan B.....

    Hope have Europa...
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    If we do not see any improvements for the remaining 14 games to get some consistency good results and a stable squad, I am afraid wait another season or 2, it will still be the same for DM's style. As such, we can only be seriously challenge to win back our premier league champions title only in 2016 to 2017 season. No joke, its possible given the state we are in right now. Question is: can we wait that long? Perhaps that why they gave DM a 6 years contract to rebuild MU. Cross my fingers hope that it will not take us that long a time to be worthy challengers again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Chan View Post
    If we do not see any improvements for the remaining 14 games to get some consistency good results and a stable squad, I am afraid wait another season or 2, it will still be the same for DM's style. As such, we can only be seriously challenge to win back our premier league champions title only in 2016 to 2017 season. No joke, its possible given the state we are in right now. Question is: can we wait that long? Perhaps that why they gave DM a 6 years contract to rebuild MU. Cross my fingers hope that it will not take us that long a time to be worthy challengers again.
    The worst thing is when I look at Everton.. they seems to be doing better than when DM was there (I have not seen Everton played yet).... On this... I am a bit concern.....

    I hope he do not get that time..... and Man U really does seems like transitioning into a "mid-table" team.....
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    I thought this article is well written...

    http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manche...d/4214?cc=4716


    A tale of two Moyes
    Posted by Musa Okwonga


    The recent weeks, to paraphrase Charles Dickens, have been "The Tale of Two Moyes." To adapt the opening moments of Dickens' great novel, "The Tale of Two Cities": "It was the best of David Moyes, it was the worst of David Moyes." On occasion, the Manchester United manager has been resolute in his public statements; what Dickens might call "the best of Moyes."

    Just after signing Juan Mata for a club record 37.1 million pounds, Moyes told the media, regarding his team's title defence: "I am not going to accept it... I'm disappointed that we're not in a much stronger position. I'm disappointed with how we have played. I will ultimately take the rap for that, but what I will do is make it right. I'm going to get better players in. There will be more."

    However, following United's 2-1 defeat at Stoke City on Saturday -- their first loss to the Potters since 1984, and a match as disappointing in its performance as its outcome -- we saw "the worst of Moyes."

    "I thought the performance was really good. I thought we played well," the manager said when events on the pitch had largely suggested anything but.

    Of course, Moyes is in an unenviable position. It's never easy stepping into a seat whose previous incumbent brought years of glory, especially when the cost of that glory is becoming more apparent with each passing month. But, that said, optimism and honesty never cost anything. Moyes may be trying to protect his players with the pronouncement that he made after the Stoke City game. Then again, if he was indeed seeking to protect his players, he would not have stated just days before that he was looking to ship several of them out. The consistent theme with his statements seems to be that he is playing for time; perhaps until the summer, when the Glazers will presumably give him the money he needs to rebuild the squad.

    The concern, though, should probably be more for Moyes than for the illustrious players he will probably bring in. After all, Manchester United's league position was no impediment to the arrival of Mata -- the club's name will retain a great deal of its pulling power. Nor should its probable failure to qualify for the UEFA Champions League scare off, say, Douglas Costa of Shakhtar Donetsk. No, the problem will be whether Moyes, having rebuilt his squad, will then have the tactical nous to make them a consistent contender again.

    In his press conference, Moyes said, "We created numerous opportunities; we played well, but we didn't pick anyone out around the box." However, it is instructive to contrast his approach with that of Arsene Wenger against Crystal Palace, a game Arsenal won 2-0 to keep them just ahead of Manchester City atop the Premier League. There is no question that Arsenal have better resources in midfield, but the manner in which both their goals arrived was revealing: the first a diagonal ball to an onrushing player after they had shifted the play from side to side, the second a one-two and a failure to track the initial runner. For the majority of the game, Arsenal passed the ball from side to side, and learned the lesson of the ineffectual long pass. They attempted four in the first half, each of which sailed clear of its target, and ultimately profited from a short passing game, with the ball rarely leaving the ground.

    This is why Moyes' preoccupation with crossing the ball -- something which was successful in only five of 33 attempts against Stoke -- is so confusing. It almost appears to be a reflexive response to tactical problems -- and the irony is that, with a minor adjustment, he could do much to benefit his team. All Moyes needs to do is to cut out crossing. He is fortunate in that, unlike Arsenal, he has fast players in wide positions who can get to the byline, such as Adnan Januzaj and Antonio Valencia.

    Moyes also has players who are excellent at making late runs into the area -- a manner in which even the goal-shy Tom Cleverley has scored two of his last three goals for United: away against West Ham United in the FA Cup last season and away against Aston Villa in the Premier League this season. Why, then, does Moyes not simply transfer the ball swiftly to the wings -- as he is already doing -- and have his wingers cut the ball back into the area or across the top of the box, but simply across the ground?

    The answer is probably very simple: Manchester United's poor passing is not so much technical as psychological. It is bracing to see the team's array of misplaced long balls, and it is difficult to believe that Moyes is merely telling them to sling the ball forward and see what happens. What we are very probably seeing at Manchester United is a team in rapid decline that lack the composure to solve it.

    United's 1-0 home defeat to Newcastle United in early December was notable not only for the lack of ideas in attack, but also for the fear with which the home team played, shifting the ball from side to side, apparently terrified of moving it into the final third and losing possession. The team looks as bereft as a particular moment when England played Portugal in the semifinals of the Euro 2004 tournament. Then, Steven Gerrard hit a 40-yard pass to Darius Vassell, standing morosely between two 6-foot centre-backs.

    To Gerrard's right in that game, pleading for the short square pass, was Paul Scholes. And that's the lesson here: Though Manchester United have no one so accomplished as Scholes in their ranks, they can at least learn from his example. Pack the middle of the pitch with an extra man, play it short, keep it on the ground, and don't cross it, but instead cut it back. A variation of that approach is working for Arsenal; though Manchester United will not be nearly so effective in its execution, it could be a good place to start.
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    Busby Babes....



    The best Busby Babes tribute is on the pitch
    Posted by Mark Payne


    On Thursday, Manchester United will pay tribute to those who lost their lives in the Munich air disaster 56 years ago. The pioneering team that first swept the club to global prominence was sadly cut down before it reached its peak. Commemorations of this sort are usually handled appropriately and with dignity. It is the kind of thing the club gets right. The best tribute to the Busby Babes though, would come on the pitch.

    In the season of the Munich air disaster, 1957-58, despite the team being decimated with eight deaths in February, the side still managed to score 126 goals in all competitions. The year before they scored 143 in just 57 games.

    When people talk in hushed tones about the quality of the Busby Babes team, they are not exaggerating. That total of goals scored in 1956-57 has never been bettered. There is a chance that Manchester City could reach that sum this year, but they are the most expensive team in history, by a distance. The Busby Babes were all products of the United youth system.

    United's current travails are a source of much debate at the moment. The statistical reality of their season makes for grim reading. If United continue to score at their current rate, they will finish the season with approximately 88 goals in all competitions. United have scored more than 100 goals in each of their past 10 seasons and plundered 114 in just the last campaign.

    Busby's team talks famously ended with the same stock phrases. "Just go out and play," and "enjoy yourselves." His was a philosophy of entertainment. Bobby Charlton has spoken on numerous occasions about how the club was encouraged to provide excitement for the working classes of Manchester, a city built on the graft of its people.

    This ethos was embodied by the team from Old Trafford who expressed themselves on the field with a mixture of elegance, strength and skill that has permeated the culture of the institution ever since.

    At present, United's players and staff have a forbidding look about them. The results have been far worse than any dared fear at the start of the season and that is bound to put a dampener on things. The lingering sense remains that if the players were enjoying themselves more, they might achieve more.

    There is no doubt that Manchester United houses some of the best players in world football. If the team that muscled its way to last year's title could rediscover some of that vigour, then results would surely pick up.

    The impression has formed that United's tactics this season have been somewhat constrictive and have hampered the skills of the side's best players. There seems to be an obsession to reach the by-line and send in crosses for the strikers.

    Some of United's greatest teams in the past were built on wing play and, indeed, wingers are woven tightly into the fabric of the club. But so is winning. And at the moment United are not winning nearly enough.

    As this most frustrating of campaigns enters its final furlong, this saddest of anniversaries gives those who support the team a chance to reflect. Not only on the great loss of their lives, but of the philosophy the Busby Babes represented.

    Manchester United, both past and present, is a football club, an institution and a family that is bound by the values of entertainment, hard work and style. This season, there has been far too little swagger in the play of the team.

    It is time for the players to start enjoying themselves again. They have little else to play for. And they owe that much to their forbears.
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    Let's say DM were to really be checking out CS forums, would things really improve if he were to adopt our suggestions? I really hope so but I wonder why he isnt changing things yet. Or is it because to keep chopping and changing would be worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richiemccaw1 View Post
    Let's say DM were to really be checking out CS forums, would things really improve if he were to adopt our suggestions? I really hope so but I wonder why he isnt changing things yet. Or is it because to keep chopping and changing would be worse?
    DM is a stubborn man.. his greatest mistake is replacing the back room.....

    SAF told him not to.. that should help DM in his transition. But DM chose to do it his style...

    I just doubt his capacity as a tactician and man motivator.....
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    Nemanja Vidic has confirmed he will leave Manchester United at the end of the 2013/14 season.

    Vidic confirms United exit

    First one from the first team to leave ... hope there isn't more to come? hm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    Nemanja Vidic has confirmed he will leave Manchester United at the end of the 2013/14 season.

    Vidic confirms United exit

    First one from the first team to leave ... hope there isn't more to come? hm...
    Evra next and Ferdinand too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhirako View Post
    Evra next and Ferdinand too...
    Think they old liao ... should retire ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post

    Think they old liao ... should retire ...
    Ya...this team need heavy "reshape"

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhirako View Post
    Ya...this team need heavy "reshape"
    Hmmm... Shape to suit DM or shape to be championship material again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post

    Hmmm... Shape to suit DM or shape to be championship material again?
    Suit DM's dream team =)

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