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    There are presently a lot of water filters that you can fix to tap or the pitcher. They claim to be able to filter among other things -
    1) chlorine,
    2) trihalomethanes,
    3) industrial solvents,
    4) pesticides,
    5) rust, sand and sediments,
    6) bad taste and odour.

    One small filter can do so many things meh? So powderful!!!

    OTOH, out tap water so dirty meh????

    Any chemist, water expert or knowledgeable ones can provide any insights on whether these filters are the real thing or simply adding another impurity to our water - BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    There are presently a lot of water filters that you can fix to tap or the pitcher. They claim to be able to filter among other things -
    1) chlorine,
    2) trihalomethanes,
    3) industrial solvents,
    4) pesticides,
    5) rust, sand and sediments,
    6) bad taste and odour.

    One small filter can do so many things meh? So powderful!!!

    OTOH, out tap water so dirty meh????

    Any chemist, water expert or knowledgeable ones can provide any insights on whether these filters are the real thing or simply adding another impurity to our water - BS.
    Pee through it and then drink the filtrate.

    If it works, it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    Pee through it and then drink the filtrate.

    If it works, it works
    I pee you drink?

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    "Drinking unfiltered water is like making love without rubber." - Lao Zi.

    Last edited by Sion; 14th May 2013 at 12:44 AM.

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    On a serious note, yeah, makes a difference. Especially to filter out rust and other fine particulates. And the water tastes a lot cleaner, it has less of a "processed" taste.

    On just tap water, my water kettle would get a rust brown layer after about 3 months. After buying a filter, it has had no such issue.
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    boiled is the best

    the filters remove physical particles , not dissolved stuff

    some people even add a drop of water conditioner after boiling in an attempt to rid chlorine and chloramine
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    It's as effective as wearing pants
    Take the shot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    There are presently a lot of water filters that you can fix to tap or the pitcher. They claim to be able to filter among other things -
    1) chlorine,
    2) trihalomethanes,
    3) industrial solvents,
    4) pesticides,
    5) rust, sand and sediments,
    6) bad taste and odour.

    One small filter can do so many things meh? So powderful!!!

    OTOH, out tap water so dirty meh????

    Any chemist, water expert or knowledgeable ones can provide any insights on whether these filters are the real thing or simply adding another impurity to our water - BS.
    As a user, after a lengthy discovery journey, filtered water or distilled water helps if one always seems to have throat dryness or related issues.

    Here are two interesting reads I found while doing the "internet research".
    PUB
    NEL breakdowns
    Last edited by kklee; 14th May 2013 at 11:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed9119 View Post
    boiled is the best

    the filters remove physical particles , not dissolved stuff

    some people even add a drop of water conditioner after boiling in an attempt to rid chlorine and chloramine
    Boiling also doesn't remove "dissolved stuff" what, only purification such as distillation and reverse osmosis does that, it kills microorganism instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    Boiling also doesn't remove "dissolved stuff" what, only purification such as distillation and reverse osmosis does that, it kills microorganism instead.
    I think the RO step will not removed "dissolved stuff" like e.g. chlorine.

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    Hot pots have a dechlorinate function. According to manufacturers, boiling can reduce it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kklee View Post
    I think the RO step will not removed "dissolved stuff" like e.g. chlorine.
    Well, that depends on the specific definition of "dissolved stuff" by the OP but I do stand corrected anyway.

    I guessed, that's where activated carbon comes in unless one prefers to boil their kettle for 1/4 to 1/2 an hour instead of several minutes just so as to decrease the solubility enough for chlorine to evaporate off completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    Well, that depends on the specific definition of "dissolved stuff" by the OP but I do stand corrected anyway.

    I guessed, that's where activated carbon comes in unless one prefers to boil their kettle for 1/4 to 1/2 an hour instead of several minutes just so as to decrease the solubility enough for chlorine to evaporate off completely.
    Which is precisely why I brought a filtered water pitcher to Egypt to filter their bottled water !

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    Quote Originally Posted by kklee View Post
    As a user, after a lengthy discovery journey, filtered water or distilled water helps if one always seems to have throat dryness or related issues.

    Here are two interesting reads I found while doing the "internet research".
    PUB
    NEL breakdowns
    The table shows the parameters that are within WHO guidelines. Also there is a wide range, eg PH is from 7-9.0 neutral to alkaline. And if you scroll to the very last item, there is now traces of E. Coli bacteria in our water. This probably comes from the sewage treated water. Also note the footnote:

    "*** The residual chlorine present in tap water is in the form of chloramines "

    Extracted from Wikipedia:
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    "NH2Cl is commonly used in low concentrations as a secondary disinfectant in municipal water distribution systems as an alternative to chlorination. This application is increasing. Chlorine (referred to in water treatment as free chlorine) is being displaced by chloramine--specifically monochloramine--which is much more stable and does not dissipate as rapidly as free chlorine. NH2Cl also has a very much lower, however still present, tendency than free chlorine to convert organic materials into chlorocarbons such as chloroform and carbon tetrachloride. Such compounds have been identified as carcinogens and in 1979 the United States Environmental Protection Agency began regulating their levels in U.S. drinking water.

    Furthermore, water treated with chloramine lacks the distinct chlorine odour of the gaseous treatment and so has improved taste.[citation needed]

    Some of the unregulated byproducts may possibly pose greater health risks than the regulated chemicals.[7]

    Adding chloramine to the water supply may increase exposure to lead in drinking water, especially in areas with older housing; this exposure can result in increased lead levels in the bloodstream which may pose a significant health risk.[8]"

    source: Chloramine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I am not a chemist but if what wiki writes is true, then having secondary filtration nor boiling may not help since chloramine don't get filtered mechanically nor dissipate off. Maybe I should try drinking Evian for a month to see if I there is any difference.
    Last edited by ManWearPants; 15th May 2013 at 11:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    The table shows the parameters that are within WHO guidelines. Also there is a wide range, eg PH is from 7-9.0 neutral to alkaline. And if you scroll to the very last item, there is now traces of E. Coli bacteria in our water. This probably comes from the sewage treated water. Also note the footnote:

    *** The residual chlorine present in tap water is in the form of chloramines

    Extracted from Wikipedia:
    Drinking water disinfection [edit]

    NH2Cl is commonly used in low concentrations as a secondary disinfectant in municipal water distribution systems as an alternative to chlorination. This application is increasing. Chlorine (referred to in water treatment as free chlorine) is being displaced by chloramine--specifically monochloramine--which is much more stable and does not dissipate as rapidly as free chlorine. NH2Cl also has a very much lower, however still present, tendency than free chlorine to convert organic materials into chlorocarbons such as chloroform and carbon tetrachloride. Such compounds have been identified as carcinogens and in 1979 the United States Environmental Protection Agency began regulating their levels in U.S. drinking water.

    Furthermore, water treated with chloramine lacks the distinct chlorine odour of the gaseous treatment and so has improved taste.[citation needed]

    Some of the unregulated byproducts may possibly pose greater health risks than the regulated chemicals.[7]

    Adding chloramine to the water supply may increase exposure to lead in drinking water, especially in areas with older housing; this exposure can result in increased lead levels in the bloodstream which may pose a significant health risk.[8]

    source: Chloramine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by kklee View Post
    And ?
    you missed this at the bottom
    "I am not a chemist but if what wiki writes is true, then having secondary filtration nor boiling may not help since chloramine don't get filtered mechanically nor dissipate off. Maybe I should try drinking Evian for a month to see if I there is any difference. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    And if you scroll to the very last item, there is now traces of E. Coli bacteria in our water.
    E. Coli (cfu/100 ml, 35°C, 24 hrs) < 1 means that there are less than 1 colony forming units in 100 ml of water, after being left at 35 degrees Celsius for 24 hours.

    FYI, residual chlorine is included in drinking water to make it "biologically stable", i.e. unable to support microbial growth. There is a need for this given that the water isn't supplied direct from the waterworks and has to be conveyed via pipes, stored, etc.

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    Plus.. the wiki state that chloramine is neutralized by the digestive process. And Vit C completely neutralize both chlorine and chloramines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManWearPants View Post
    you missed this at the bottom
    "I am not a chemist but if what wiki writes is true, then having secondary filtration nor boiling may not help since chloramine don't get filtered mechanically nor dissipate off. Maybe I should try drinking Evian for a month to see if I there is any difference. "
    Perhaps I have missed out.
    I reply to you at 10:10.
    Your last edit was at 10:15.

    My understanding is that activated carbon can be used to remove the chloramine.
    The filter in the water pitcher I use (Hyflux) have activated carbon.
    How effective and efficient is the removal of the chloramine, I really have no idea which is why I never use chloramine as an example in the "dissolved stuffs".

    I would say I sort of agree with your statement at the bottom. Waiting for your "report" on differences (if any) on Evian.

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    I just want to add that personally, if there exists too many unknowns and if the attempts to overcome proves to be futile,
    I will make an effort to remove the unknown from the equation.

    I am happy user of the Hyflux water pitcher and bottled distilled water.

    Whether it will work for you, you can try to find out.

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