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    the garmen has made up their mind irregardless of how we think or vote.

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    i suggest we get the casino in n working asap,

    most buy 4d, toto, and many other gambling tools. some even frequent to genting on the weekends, y allow these sources of income to flow out of the country?, we should retain it and have some way rechannel to turn the economy around.

    social problems that comes with gambling are just the byproducts that we should learn to deal with and its always there regardless we built it or not.

    having a casino makes us face it, without the casino is akin to sweeping the dust under the carpet, not seen to most but its still there.

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    Casino will cause more crimes definitely. At the end, more budget will be giving to security and defend ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    I voted yes for reasons below :

    1) Our citizens are frequently going to the cruse & genting to gamble anyway, & how much do they spend per trip?
    thosands on average

    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    3) Look @ the situation here, manufacturing are moving out, ie less jobs, worse have to compete with foriegn talents for the jobs, so Casino island can create alot more jobs, together with the hotels and amusement park.
    yes more jobs and you'll see the post taken up by malaysians, cos not many singaporean want to work in these jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    4) Singapore is so small, most of our tourist attraction are more of a 1 time visit is enough. Having Casino helps.
    hardcore gamblers will land at changi, take a cab straight to the casino, gamble till their time is up or their cash is finish, take a cab back straight to the airport and fly off

    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    5) If one can control how frequent & how much to spend on gabling as of now (1) & (2), they should be able to control their spending when visiting the Casino.
    agree, but greed sometimes takes the better of a person

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    Chances are the Govt will NOT go ahead with the casino because currently the number of "against" votes is greater than "for". Look at the current feedback, general impression is a "No". Probably the Govt will put the idea off for awhile before embarking back again.

    But frankly, I support the idea of a casino in Singapore. I'm a non-gambler, not even 4D and toto. But hey, without the casino, people can always go on weenekd cruises to nowhere, Batam, genting Highlands, underground dens etc...

    Sooner or later, the moderators will close this thread. Hehe..

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    Yeah! I better post b4 the thread is closed!!

    Casino is a NO NO for me. So what it generate more jobs?? It will also cause more unemployment end of the day when more workers are addicted to gambling!! Besides what jobs are they generating? gambling operators? Cleaners? Bankers? Dept Collectors?? So what help does it go to the poor students who study medicine, engineering, arts, etc??

    even if they generate 500 jobs for cleaners? how many singaporeans will be taking the jobs? more likely end up to foreign workers too....

    If the g'vern really wants to create more jobs? Y not more disneyland type of theme, etc?? I find it a joke that singapore wants the best of everything, yet do not want to cultivate the local talents.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by theITguy
    Are you guys afraid? What you guys are afraid of? A casino? I am not afraid of moving to analog MF cameras instead of following the trend like many who wanna go digital.
    One's a hobby, the other is an addiction.


    Quote Originally Posted by theITguy
    Same thing here. If gambling is the trend, are you a follower or you go your own way? If you are not a gambler why bother whether it is built or not? If you are a gambler what difference does it make to build it? You will not gamble if you are not a gambler and you will still gamble if you are one even if it is built.
    Selfish reasons. So it means to say if you walk on the streets, you see a gambler being robbed and you aren't the one getting rob you just walk away?




    Quote Originally Posted by theITguy
    When I see the interview on this guy who collected 29K signatures online, I find that it is a BIG joke. How many of those 29K are really sincere in opposing the move to build one? 29K out of 3 million++ (1%?) is a BIG joke when you consider the 500K out of 6 millions++ (12%?) you see in HongKong physically in 2004.
    Why not? Look in Nikon subforum, look at the D70 failure thread, it's enough to create a hoo-ha why not 29K of signatures, who are you to doubt their sincerity in opposing the move? Minority doesn't mean they are WRONG, it just means they are unique.


    Quote Originally Posted by theITguy
    End of the day, it will still be built as those who oppose gambling (the religious group mainly) will not gamble and we will get REAL attractions for inflow of money from our dear foreigners when HK have Disney, Japan have Disney and Universal Studio, Thailand have their history and culture, likewise for Laos, Burma, Cambodia and in particular China. Even Philippines has something else more than Singapore.
    Think again, their money will be at the casino not elsewhere. People like Singapore for itself, for it's nature & beauty, not because it's trying to become some other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitkat
    the garmen has made up their mind irregardless of how we think or vote.
    Yep, this is what I'm afraid it's TRUE.


    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    1) Our citizens are frequently going to the cruse & genting to gamble anyway, & how much do they spend per trip?
    They can only go on trips when they can, placing a Casino right infront of them will cause them to go as it's so accessible.



    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    2) In a week, how many times & how much they spend on 4D, TOTO, Scratch, Horse Racing, Soccer betting?
    How many times does TOTO, 4D and Horse Racing occurs in a week? What are the hours. Casinos can be operated 24/7.



    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    3) Look @ the situation here, manufacturing are moving out, ie less jobs, worse have to compete with foriegn talents for the jobs, so Casino island can create alot more jobs, together with the hotels and amusement park.
    I think this shouldn't be the case, there are other ways to create jobs. Using a Casino as a means to create jobs is just plain stupidity.

    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    4) Singapore is so small, most of our tourist attraction are more of a 1 time visit is enough. Having Casino helps.
    You'll be surprised how many tourists are coming to SG over time

    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    5) If one can control how frequent & how much to spend on gabling as of now (1) & (2), they should be able to control their spending when visiting the Casino.
    It's as good as saying if one can control how frequent to take drugs and how much to spend on drugs, they should be able to control their spending when it comes to buying drugs.

    It's an addiction, not a solution.

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    OK....Let say if there is a casino

    I have a budget of a Tokina 12-24.......I go gamble.......I win.......I will upgrade my budget Nikon 12-24.......if win again.....I will be able to afford a trinity......so on and so for

    On the other hand...if I loose....I will end up loosing my Tokina....loose some more.....I have to make do with my kit lens.....and bad luck really struck....I might loose my camera or even my entire saving and owe loanshark

    So....on second thought....it was quite high a risk if I can't control the temptation....I mean people do make stupid decision for stupid reason and some mistake can be fatal

    I guess...I have to be happy with the Tokina for the time being
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    Quote Originally Posted by espn

    I think this shouldn't be the case, there are other ways to create jobs. Using a Casino as a means to create jobs is just plain stupidity.
    Oh, what are the other ways of creating jobs then? Maybe you can share with the garmen? Creating jobs is one major headache of the garmen right now. If you can, drop them a mail, I'm sure they would like to hear from you, especially the Manpower Minister.
    (BTW, I'm not taking a dig at you, but seriously, creating jobs for Singaporeans is a real challenge for our leaders now, so it's not laughing matter) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric69
    Oh, what are the other ways of creating jobs then? Maybe you can share with the garmen? Creating jobs is one major headache of the garmen right now. If you can, drop them a mail, I'm sure they would like to hear from you, especially the Manpower Minister. (BTW, I'm not taking a dig at you, but seriously, creating jobs for Singaporeans is a real challenge for our leaders now, so it's not laughing matter) .
    I would leave it to the Manpower Ministry to worry, for sure what I suggest will never get accepted, so why I bother. I can't think of any job creating opportunities right now but Casino is not the only and best solution.

    Perhaps you agree with the gahmen that Casino would be a good way to provide jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashleyy
    Yeah! I better post b4 the thread is closed!!

    Casino is a NO NO for me. So what it generate more jobs?? It will also cause more unemployment end of the day when more workers are addicted to gambling!! Besides what jobs are they generating? gambling operators? Cleaners? Bankers? Dept Collectors?? So what help does it go to the poor students who study medicine, engineering, arts, etc??

    even if they generate 500 jobs for cleaners? how many singaporeans will be taking the jobs? more likely end up to foreign workers too....

    If the g'vern really wants to create more jobs? Y not more disneyland type of theme, etc?? I find it a joke that singapore wants the best of everything, yet do not want to cultivate the local talents.....
    the whole idea of generating jobs with casinos is bullsheet, we all know that. especially when the owner is government. They will probably employ foreign talent to expand and take care of the business while you manage the toliets.

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    The garmen actually do listen. Yes, you may say that they turn-around their decision on Pulau Ubin. But the garmen of today did alot of changes that you may not notice it, becso maybe the changes did not affect you? The garmen do listen, but not necessary agree with you. They don't implement your ideas don't necessary means they don't listen. Remember they are planning 5-10 years down the roads.

    The garmen is willing to listen. But are Singapore willing to adopt? With every new idea that the garmen bring up, the first to object is the oppositions. How to move forward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahbeng
    the whole idea of generating jobs with casinos is bullsheet, we all know that. especially when the owner is government. They will probably employ foreign talent to expand and take care of the business while you manage the toliets.
    Isn't it the truth? You know, I know. Foreign talent is CRAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by espn
    Isn't it the truth? You know, I know. Foreign talent is CRAP.
    wrong....foreign talent is EXPENSIVE crap.
    you can buy better gear but you can't buy a better eye

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric69
    The garmen actually do listen. Yes, you may say that they turn-around their decision on Pulau Ubin. But the garmen of today did alot of changes that you may not notice it, becso maybe the changes did not affect you? The garmen do listen, but not necessary agree with you. They don't implement your ideas don't necessary means they don't listen. Remember they are planning 5-10 years down the roads.
    If they are planning 5-10 years down the road I don't see how Casino can provide job opportunities for 5-10 years. To me it's still crap, they don't have to agree with me of course, as again, nobody's powerful to influence the gahmen. Why not daringly step out and do a vote/poll from Singaporeans to see if a casino should be built and go with majority?

    Quote Originally Posted by eric69
    The garmen is willing to listen. But are Singapore willing to adopt? With every new idea that the garmen bring up, the first to object is the oppositions. How to move forward?
    Willing to listen as you said, but adoptions should be made with the right attitude and reasons ahead. Creating job opportunities is not one of them, tourism, is not one of them.

    Think again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaren
    wrong....foreign talent is EXPENSIVE crap.
    Sorry, I forgot... I forgot how the expats are flown in $3K a day and cannot even solve simple problem(s), I forgot. Forgive me, will ya?

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    today's news, KL govt will legislate laws requiring employers to employ at least 51% malaysians. how's that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by espn
    If they are planning 5-10 years down the road I don't see how Casino can provide job opportunities for 5-10 years. To me it's still crap, they don't have to agree with me of course, as again, nobody's powerful to influence the gahmen. Why not daringly step out and do a vote/poll from Singaporeans to see if a casino should be built and go with majority?

    Willing to listen as you said, but adoptions should be made with the right attitude and reasons ahead. Creating job opportunities is not one of them, tourism, is not one of them.

    Think again.
    Relax, dude. The casino issue has not been finalised. If it's going to be built, I'm sure the garmen will have safety net implemented. Also don't conclude early by saying that casino is bad, becos nothing is definite at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric69
    Relax, dude. The casino issue has not been finalised. If it's going to be built, I'm sure the garmen will have safety net implemented. Also don't conclude early by saying that casino is bad, becos nothing is definite at the moment.
    No worries. I'm relaxed.

    Knowing the gahmen, I'm sure it has been finalised. They just want to 'give chance' for people to speak up so that it's 'fair'.

    I didn't say casino is bad, but I fail to see what good a casino would provide for Singaporeans & Tourists alike.

    It's not like Bird Park, Zoo, family can go there together enjoy the sun, picnic see animals. So pray tell, what good can it provide?

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