20D v 1D2 v 1Ds

[erwinx]

I've mentioned before that subjective reviews (eg: E.J. Peiker at naturescapes) puts the image quality of 20D above that of 1D2.

Now castleman has done an MTF / 50% MTF test and 20D is found to have higher resolution than 1D2 and 1Ds. So, unless you have a need for the additional features found in the 1D series cameras, why bother?

http://wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/film_ccd/index.htm

[oeyvind]

I have the feeling EOS 350D has better res as well...

[Bluestrike]

Originally Posted by erwinx I've mentioned before that subjective reviews (eg: E.J. Peiker at naturescapes) puts the image quality of 20D above that of 1D2. Now castleman has done an MTF / 50% MTF test and 20D is found to have higher resolution than 1D2 and 1Ds. So, unless you have a need for the additional features found in the 1D series cameras, why bother? http://wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/film_ccd/index.htm

ok come sell mi your 1D2.. or I will trade a 20D for it....


Hehehe.e..e

[John Tan]

Originally Posted by erwinx I've mentioned before that subjective reviews (eg: E.J. Peiker at naturescapes) puts the image quality of 20D above that of 1D2. Now castleman has done an MTF / 50% MTF test and 20D is found to have higher resolution than 1D2 and 1Ds. So, unless you have a need for the additional features found in the 1D series cameras, why bother? http://wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/film_ccd/index.htm

If u read carefully, there is a statement : "The EOS-1D Mark II achieved the highest image quality when resolution and 50% MTF and image appearance were compared."

Higher resolution does not produce higher quality...if follow this logic Sony F828 will be producing the highest quality as they squeeze 8mega pixels into a smaller CCD....Canon's engineers will not make this kind of mistake la.

[John Tan]

Originally Posted by oeyvind I have the feeling EOS 350D has better res as well...

Same or higher than 20D in term of resolution as smaller CMOS is use in the 350D.

[user111]

gimme a markII anytime

[mervin]

Originally Posted by user111 gimme a markII anytime

hahahaha !!!!
my sentiments exactly !!!

anyone wants a exchange their 1DMII for my 20D ????


just joking........

[King Tiger]

D70 can or not.

[ricohflex]

erwinx

how I wish I have a 20D to swap with you for your mint 1DMk2 (assuming you have one).

I agree with you! Like you, I believe the reviewer.
You are right!
The 20D is higher res than the 1DMk2!

Please give me the 1DMk2 in exchange! I am stupid. I like cameras with lesser resolution. Please exchange with me your mint 1DMk2 for a 20D!


whisper (these type of tests don't mean anything. resolution is not the only thing in a lens. I recall some reviewer said X lens is better than Y lens but only at a certain focal length and aperture. he did not say the performance at other length of that X lens was JUNK! )

[xieyuqi]

Originally Posted by ricohflex Please give me the 1DMk2 in exchange! I am stupid. I like cameras with lesser resolution. Please exchange with me your mint 1DMk2 for a 20D!

u interested in my D30? only 3.34 mp...

[ricohflex]

xieyuqi

eh, only interested in the "lower resolution" 1DMk2, lah.
If deal, I will phone Don of TCW and buy a NEW 20D to exchange with erwinx.

[erwinx]

objective measurements should be read in conjunction with subjective reviews on image quality, which is why i specifically mentioned E.J. Peiker's review in naturescapes.net.

I think he dumped his 1D Mk2 and is using 20D as backup to his 1Ds Mk2 now, even though its more inconvenient for him (different batteries...)

[Garion]

Originally Posted by erwinx objective measurements should be read in conjunction with subjective reviews on image quality, which is why i specifically mentioned E.J. Peiker's review in naturescapes.net. I think he dumped his 1D Mk2 and is using 20D as backup to his 1Ds Mk2 now, even though its more inconvenient for him (different batteries...)

Image quality aside I think the additional "reach" of the 20D (1.6x crop vs 1.3x for 1DMk2) also comes in handy, especially for distant subjects like birds.... I'm not sure if he mentioned about it before though.

Assuming he is using a 500mm f4L IS with 1.4x TC for his birding shots:

e.g For 1DMk2, 500mm X 1.4x TC X 1.3(fov crop) = 910mm total "reach"

For 20D, 500mm X 1.4x TC X 1.6(fov crop) = 1120mm total "reach"

1120 - 910mm = 210mm difference which is quite significant. And since 20D is 8MP, you can even have the option to crop the pix further, if need be.

[benny]

Er. the report also say D60 is not bad right? 6 mp aside, it seems to be better than the 1 series and almost comparable with the 20D?

Pardon the ignorance, but I'm not too good at reading these reports.

Cheers,

[oeyvind]

Originally Posted by Garion 1120 - 910mm = 210mm difference which is quite significant. And since 20D is 8MP, you can even have the option to crop the pix further, if need be.

hehe, so when you getting your new 20D?

[Garion]

Originally Posted by oeyvind hehe, so when you getting your new 20D?

Waiting for you to sponsor me.

[ricohflex]

erwinx

eh, don't get annoyed.
we are just jokers cracking jokes to lighten up after stressful day at work.
besides resolution there are many qualities that make the 1D Mk2 or 1DsMk2
desirable.
for example, read in my photo mag that a pro used 1Ds (Mk2?) in very cold polar region taking shots of polar bears, wild animals. And the camera worked perfectly in the sub-zero temperature.
also well sealed from moisture and tough.
I expect canon to fill in the hollow gap between the 20D and 1DMk2.
It may be full frame - just to up the ante for other manufacturers.

[John Tan]

Originally Posted by Garion Image quality aside I think the additional "reach" of the 20D (1.6x crop vs 1.3x for 1DMk2) also comes in handy, especially for distant subjects like birds.... I'm not sure if he mentioned about it before though. Assuming he is using a 500mm f4L IS with 1.4x TC for his birding shots: e.g For 1DMk2, 500mm X 1.4x TC X 1.3(fov crop) = 910mm total "reach" For 20D, 500mm X 1.4x TC X 1.6(fov crop) = 1120mm total "reach" 1120 - 910mm = 210mm difference which is quite significant. And since 20D is 8MP, you can even have the option to crop the pix further, if need be.

U got the point there but there are a lot more reasons/factors for me to giveup my 20D & get 1D mk 2.

[Garion]

Originally Posted by John Tan U got the point there but there are a lot more reasons/factors for me to giveup my 20D & get 1D mk 2.

Sure, I understand, of course if you feel the difference in price is justifiable, or you need the key features of the 1D Mk II by all means go ahead and get one (though I have seen from your sig you already have one rite?)

[oeyvind]

Use what is best for your needs, if want you really need is reach, I think 20D or 350D is best.

See 16-35 on the 1 series, and the long tele on the 20D



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