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    Cool Give it free or ask for a small sum.

    Hi all,

    May I get some advise. NParks is publishing a book entitled Living in a Garden: The Greening of Singapore, to be released later this year. They would like to use a photograph that I submitted for the City In A Garden Photo Competition, entitled “Tranquility”, for the book. They will be credited accordingly in the book. Should is give it free or ask for a small sum (Do I have the right?). haha just got a D600 . Oh that photo was shoot by a P&S. So size does not matter

    Thank in advance.

    Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by need73 View Post
    Hi all,

    May I get some advise. NParks is publishing a book entitled Living in a Garden: The Greening of Singapore, to be released later this year. They would like to use a photograph that I submitted for the City In A Garden Photo Competition, entitled “Tranquility”, for the book. They will be credited accordingly in the book. Should is give it free or ask for a small sum (Do I have the right?). haha just got a D600 . Oh that photo was shoot by a P&S. So size does not matter

    Thank in advance.

    Alex
    ask for money. They giving the book away free?

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    If the book is for charity or what, then I think it ok to give free.

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    u have the right to ask to be paid for usage of the photo. they cant use it unless u give consent (unless the competition rules state that all pics submitted belong to them blah blah...).
    think recently there's a starbucks case where starbucks used a photog's photos without his consent.

    whether u wanna give free, really up to you. Some see it as a way to market and promote your works/name.

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    You have to check T&C of the competition to see if they reserved the right to use it in any way they deemed fit.

    Also, who contacted you? NParks or a company commissioned to design the book?

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    Also, who contacted you? NParks or a company commissioned to design the book?
    The most important question.

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    Do it for the trees, charge a decent sum. Think of it as garment give you tax rebate. Don't hand soft.
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    Obviously you never read the terms and conditions by NPark

    All the NPark photo competitions have the followings in pdf file ....

    Copyright Issues
    The Entrant
    • The entrant must be the sole author and owner of copyright, intellectual property and all other
    proprietary rights for the image(s) entered into the Competition.
    • Photographers retain full copyright of all images entered into the Competition.
    • It is the legal responsibility of the Entrant, not the organiser or sponsors, to ensure compliance with all
    ownership and copyright requirements, and own the rights to reproduce the image(s).
    • Entries that do not fulfil the above criteria will be deemed ineligible and will be disqualified.
    The Organiser
    • The Organiser reserve the non-exclusive right and royalty to reproduce, display, distribute and show the
    entrant’s submission for the following purposes:
    a. Operating, administering and promoting the competition;
    b. Displaying the entrant’s submission on this competition website and/or Sponsors’ website.
    c. Issuing a media release or making media pitches with images regarding winning entries.
    d. Usage of the entrant’s submission during our roadshows, exhibitions and in publications both
    printed and online.
    e. In all cases where such images are used, the sponsors and organisers reserve the right to do
    so without obtaining the further prior permission of the winner, and without offering any further
    compensation of any form. However, where any image is reproduced, the photographer will be
    credited.
    3 Competition Criteria
    3.1 Participants are required to fill in all personal particulars and contact details on the
    entry form for submission. Any entry which is incomplete, illegible, incomprehensible
    or not received by NParks will be void.
    3.2 All intellectual property rights to any entry submitted shall remain with the participants.
    However, by entering the Competition participants grant NParks a worldwide,
    irrevocable, and perpetual right to feature his/her entry free of charge in any of its
    publications, websites, and promotional materials for any purpose as deemed fit by
    NParks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    Copyright Issues
    The Entrant
    • The entrant must be the sole author and owner of copyright, intellectual property and all other
    proprietary rights for the image(s) entered into the Competition.
    • Photographers retain full copyright of all images entered into the Competition.
    • It is the legal responsibility of the Entrant, not the organiser or sponsors, to ensure compliance with all
    ownership and copyright requirements, and own the rights to reproduce the image(s).
    • Entries that do not fulfil the above criteria will be deemed ineligible and will be disqualified.
    The Organiser
    • The Organiser reserve the non-exclusive right and royalty to reproduce, display, distribute and show the
    entrant’s submission for the following purposes:
    a. Operating, administering and promoting the competition;
    b. Displaying the entrant’s submission on this competition website and/or Sponsors’ website.
    c. Issuing a media release or making media pitches with images regarding winning entries.
    d. Usage of the entrant’s submission during our roadshows, exhibitions and in publications both
    printed and online.
    e. In all cases where such images are used, the sponsors and organisers reserve the right to do
    so without obtaining the further prior permission of the winner, and without offering any further
    compensation of any form. However, where any image is reproduced, the photographer will be
    credited.

    3 Competition Criteria
    3.1 Participants are required to fill in all personal particulars and contact details on the
    entry form for submission. Any entry which is incomplete, illegible, incomprehensible
    or not received by NParks will be void.
    3.2 All intellectual property rights to any entry submitted shall remain with the participants.
    However, by entering the Competition participants grant NParks a worldwide,
    irrevocable, and perpetual right to feature his/her entry free of charge in any of its
    publications, websites, and promotional materials for any purpose as deemed fit by
    NParks.
    Jiaklat... to the TS bro, I think this is a no-go. Rephrased to "Do it for the trees and do it for free(did)". Good thing is at least you got a photo published. Will they be giving you a free copy? If not you send them this video:

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    it's all about the money.
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    at lease ask for a tree from NParks......
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    at lease ask for a tree from NParks......
    Ifthey ask TS to pay for maintenance cost of the tree how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anson View Post
    Ifthey ask TS to pay for maintenance cost of the tree how?
    har? what maintenance? it should be free right?
    every time people come here and ask for free photography services, and we have so many free photographers going around to shoot for free, why now came and ask for money from us??
    where got such thing?

    can just plant it next to our PM's tree during tree planting day, so just tong pang a bit lor, it won't cost them that much lar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    at lease ask for a tree from NParks......
    Yes. Ask for a fruit tree like papaya tree and you can sell the fruit for money
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    Hey bro how can you ask for compensation when you have no copyright ? You shot a tree ( which is private property if I got this right all trees are "owned" by Nparks even the one you bought and planted in your house). You did not get a property release from the owner of the tree, you shot on land that you do not own, so again no property release. Even if it is a public park most parks have regulation about commercial shooting which mean no permit images not for sale commercially. As I see it you are screwed both ways. But then NParks could be clueless so you could ask them for money they in theory may pay you, since it is $ingapore government as a whole is not so generous I suspects they will find something else to use. Good luck.

    Hey should follow Catchlight suggestion at least you can a sustainable regenerating resource - 1 papaya plant now 2 years latter could be 100 plants .... Old ginger very hot.

    Yeah some one mentioned - no money also good because got exposure. Hmmm sure that really true - you know that (exposure) plus $7 could get you a cup of Starbucks. Better still as long as you have the exposure and another $7 you can get a refill too for ever till the price changes. How many people need pictures of trees taken commercially ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellery View Post
    Yeah some one mentioned - no money also good because got exposure.
    "Shooting for exposure" is perhaps the most laughable joke in the photography community worldwide. To me that is the same line as donating money to Durai and Mingyi.

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    Minimum is to at least get a copy of the book, since you do not own the copyright anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    Minimum is to at least get a copy of the book, since you do not own the copyright anymore
    True. You can proudly show to others that you won a photo competition and your photo get published in a book.
    It is a form of achievement
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    • It is clear that NParks can use the photo submitted for competition, although you retain the IP.

    • NParks was asking you out of courtesy and will credit you accordingly, if they use it.

    • Did the photo win the photo contest? 1st or 2nd or 3rd prize? Was it just an entry that did not win any prize? If it was NOT a reasonably good prize winning photo, then why the idea of asking for money?

    • What is the "small sum" that you want to ask for?

    Best not to give any bad impression. Don't ask when the rules clearly state you have no chance.
    Last edited by ricohflex; 7th April 2013 at 12:42 PM.

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