Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 23

Thread: Calibrated Monitors and Digital Printing

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Jurong
    Posts
    524

    Default Calibrated Monitors and Digital Printing

    I have calibrated my monitors (on different PCs).

    Have done some touchup on the photos and colors looks almost similar when same photos are shown my the 3 PCs with cal monitors - with PS and NC/NV.

    So I sent for printing (try both kodak and fujifilm)

    BUT why the prints are still very different from the monitor views?

    (Fuji - less contrast and lighter)
    (Kodak - the nice 'rich' skin tone takes on a duller brown tone')

    (only tried two photos each, all different also.)

    Any tips where I could have done wrong.

    (Was trying to follow the other thread on profiling - got lost in the maze.)

  2. #2
    Member 2hwang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Seletar, Singapore
    Posts
    157

    Default

    Different photo papers and printers will have different color tones...
    Unless u print using yr own printer and with the ICC profiles specific for the paper and printer used.. hope this clear..ha ha.
    Calibrating monitor only for the viewing but not for the prints.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Singapore, Singapore, Singapor
    Posts
    6,405

    Default

    1. Calibrating of monitors alone do not guarantee that what you see on the monitor will match your print. The printer (be it your home printer or professional lab printer) needs to be calibrated and profiled too.

    2. Just as Kodak and Fuji film has vastly different colour characteristics, the prints have different looks too, so it will not match anyway.

    Regards
    CK

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Jurong
    Posts
    524

    Default

    So how to get the print to match closer to What I see.

    Spent so much time getting the right tone and still cannot get the result!!!


    Thanks

  5. #5
    Member 2hwang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Seletar, Singapore
    Posts
    157

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by swhyge
    So how to get the print to match closer to What I see.

    Spent so much time getting the right tone and still cannot get the result!!!


    Thanks
    Get your own printer and with the ICC profile of the paper (for the printer).

  6. #6

    Default

    One other thing that you have to consider is that when viewing from CRT/LCD, the lights are projected to you while it is reflective for printout ie most of the time, when it looks just right on screen, the printout will look slightly underexpo. To overcome this, the files that you sent for printing should be slightly overexpo in order to compsenate.
    Jerfotography Nikon D300
    Power by iMac MBP iPhone 6+ iPad Air

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Jurong
    Posts
    524

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jer
    One other thing that you have to consider is that when viewing from CRT/LCD, the lights are projected to you while it is reflective for printout ie most of the time, when it looks just right on screen, the printout will look slightly underexpo. To overcome this, the files that you sent for printing should be slightly overexpo in order to compsenate.
    At least there is one file where on screen, it looks ok, but when printed, it was overexposed.

    Talked to the shop owner, his advice is to print small print (3R), then tell them what to compensate and they will try to do it. - still 'touch and go' method.

    All the while, I thought if my files are correct to certain std such as Adobe1998, etc, then when all the equipment are properly calibrated, then I should get the correct color - right. Of course, I can understand diff. will exist because of 'active' and reflective issue. What I have is that the color/tone were also out?? Why? Does that mean that without a own 'correlated' printer, I cannot get a good print for my photos - and all those color mgt skills/techniques/effort in PS and related programs are meant only for on-screen viewing if ones does not have a printer?

  8. #8
    Deregistered
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Planet Nikon
    Posts
    21,905

    Default

    You should be using sRGB instead.

    I've just sent a few hundred prints to KT and told them no colour correction, the images came out exactly what I see on my screen which is calibrated with Eye-One.

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Jurong
    Posts
    524

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by espn
    You should be using sRGB instead.

    I've just sent a few hundred prints to KT and told them no colour correction, the images came out exactly what I see on my screen which is calibrated with Eye-One.

    Will try this tomorrow!

  10. #10

    Default

    For the closest match to what you intended, what you need to get is a printer profile from the shop and convert your image to the printer profile before send them in. As far as I know, KT, Digipro and Beautiful Memories will provide you with the profile if you ask.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    3,717

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by swhyge
    Will try this tomorrow!
    YOu can try but dun try with few hundred shots like ESPN as he knew how's the output is like. Try do a test print and soft proof ?

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Jurong
    Posts
    524

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerstorer
    For the closest match to what you intended, what you need to get is a printer profile from the shop and convert your image to the printer profile before send them in. As far as I know, KT, Digipro and Beautiful Memories will provide you with the profile if you ask.
    Thanks. Any ideas whether they can email their profile?

  13. #13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by swhyge
    I thought if my files are correct to certain std such as Adobe1998, etc, then when all the equipment are properly calibrated, then I should get the correct color - right.

    No wonder.....sRGB is the way to go for printing by labs
    Jerfotography Nikon D300
    Power by iMac MBP iPhone 6+ iPad Air

  14. #14
    Deregistered
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Planet Nikon
    Posts
    21,905

    Default

    KT does email their profile out if you want them, I never got around to using them though.

    Everytime I pass KT shots that I processed on my display that's calibrated, without fail, they never call me to ask me if there's a need to color correct like last time (when it's not calibrated).

    Images come out exactly as the way I sent in. So I'm confident to push them by hundreds, if you're still not confident, you can send in a few for test.

  15. #15
    Member tim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Eastern Singapore
    Posts
    825

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by swhyge
    So how to get the print to match closer to What I see.

    Spent so much time getting the right tone and still cannot get the result!!!


    Thanks
    IMO, most mini/color labs use sRGB so use this as your working color space. Ask your mini/color lab (be it Kodak, Fuji, Konica....... ) for their printer/machine color profile.

    With your LCD/CRT calibrated/profiled with either Eye-One, SpyderPro or others. Edit your photos with Photoshop till you are happy then Soft-proof with the provided mini/color lab's profile..... do some adjustment till it's almost match then finally convert to the provided profile and save it in CD-Rom or any accepted formats required.

    Upon printing with your mini/color lab...... very IMPORTANT, tell them "No Color Correction" at all.

    Hope this help
    Tim

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    East, SG
    Posts
    2,641

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by tim
    IMO, most mini/color labs use sRGB so use this as your working color space. Ask your mini/color lab (be it Kodak, Fuji, Konica....... ) for their printer/machine color profile.

    With your LCD/CRT calibrated/profiled with either Eye-One, SpyderPro or others. Edit your photos with Photoshop till you are happy then Soft-proof with the provided mini/color lab's profile..... do some adjustment till it's almost match then finally convert to the provided profile and save it in CD-Rom or any accepted formats required.

    Upon printing with your mini/color lab...... very IMPORTANT, tell them "No Color Correction" at all.

    Hope this help
    Tim
    Seems like most photo labs can't handle the wider gamut in Adobe 1998.

    Just to add on.... No color correction is one thing, tell them don't SHARPEN. Once they try to do that, your highlight area might go haywire.

    Lab sharpening feature is more for consumer users who do not do their own post-processing...

  17. #17
    Member tim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Eastern Singapore
    Posts
    825

    Default

    Yup, just a bit more to add: ask them don't do anything except printing

  18. #18

    Default

    Edit your photos with Photoshop till you are happy then Soft-proof with the provided mini/color lab's profile..... do some adjustment till it's almost match then finally convert to the provided profile


    Tim, you sound like you know what you are doing...
    If I have a whole batch of photos that appears to be nice after going through PS and saving a copy... what then? Could you care to explain soft proofing and the further adjustment part? Do you mean that we have to go through another round of ps for the whole batch if the colours are not what we expect when the printer profile is loaded?

    Hope you or anyone can help, cos I am quite lost when it comes to colour correction...

    Thanks!

  19. #19
    Member tim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Eastern Singapore
    Posts
    825

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Madman
    Could you care to explain soft proofing and the further adjustment part? Do you mean that we have to go through another round of ps for the whole batch if the colours are not what we expect when the printer profile is loaded?
    Thanks!
    I am using PS 7, I think it's should be the same for CS...... In the 'View' tab checked 'Proof Color' go to 'Proof Setup - Custom - unchecked Preserve Color Numbers - In Profile, select the provided profile' You will see the exact color the mini/color lab sees, then do minor color correction and not any other adjustment in PS to match the profile provided.

  20. #20
    Member tim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Eastern Singapore
    Posts
    825

    Default

    If you are lazy , want a fastest way and ONLY go to that mini/color lab (no any others): just after you opened your photo in PS, convert to that profile and work/edit from there till you save it and print.

    I would NOT recommend cos now nobody can see your photos properly (only washed-out color, over exposed and etc....). If you want print it with your inkjet printer or another mini/color lab, you have re-do from scratch agin.

    P.S. Always save a copy of your work before you do soft-proofing and convert. This is part of the workflow anyone uses PS properly

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •