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    Give the seat to South Korea instead!

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    still jap technology.. can't deny that... only that it's MADE IN that country
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    Japan is trying very hard to erase all the evil deeds in WW2. A permanent seat must not be given to a coward imperial government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkw
    I actually think they should be given a seat, to increase asian representation (after all, 1/5th of all humanity), and also to counterbalance the increasing bullying of China.

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    We respect your point of views of course. But what you have seen as the Asians vs Westerner is an issue on the permanent seat, we see it differently.

    What Japanese mention that they liberated us from our colonial master couldn't be further than the truth. Our memories bore little lasting hatre to the Brit simply because they came merely for their finanical gain of their empire not to kill, rape, plunder(maybe they did plunder) and torture like the Japanese. No country have 'bully' China as much as the Japanese did in the last centuries or so. It unlikely that Japan for their fear of a rising China would even help counterbalance the 'bullying'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkw
    Well, you are entitiled to your opinion, and I to mine, so to each his own. Right now, seeing the way China throws it's influence around like a 800 pound gorilla (remember the incident around PM's visit to Taiwan?), I'd side with Japan any day. IMO only, of course.....
    Haha, if Sentosa decided to separate from the mainland Singapore after building the casino, Singapore would be the 800 million pound Whale to smash it!

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    Honestly, whatever happened in the past is quite irrevelant with what's going to happen in the future. Westerners aside, I would actually think if the Asian seat on the Council is on a rotational basis, a few countries in Asia will actually prefer to see Japan on it rather than China.

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    Some Japanese actually feel that their government should admit and learn from their mistakes. My JC friend went to a Jap school as a representative and in the hall, all of them bowed in apology. It really depends on the individual.

    My father once told me a positive thing that happened during the war. Before that, many local Singaporeans thought that white men were superior to the local people. But what he witness opened his eyes. He saw Asian men, smaller in stature, whipping white men in chains. Of course, we sympathise with the pain that the British soldiers went through, but it showed that no race is superior to another. This before a nation of mixed races got into the war.

    Mitsubishi used to build the engines for Zero fighters, does that mean we should avoid using their products now? Maybe; you have the right to decide.

    Personally, till they say 'sorry', I DO NOT think that they should be given a seat. Look, it's all politics. It's about the government, not the race.

    Only when the Japs apologise, then we can concentrate on the real war crimes that exist today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic
    Honestly, whatever happened in the past is quite irrevelant with what's going to happen in the future. Westerners aside, I would actually think if the Asian seat on the Council is on a rotational basis, a few countries in Asia will actually prefer to see Japan on it rather than China.
    what make u think so...
    which country will prefer Japan...
    South Korea, North Korea, Vietname, Lao, Thailand, Philippine, Bruma, Malaysia, Singapore.. (Did I miss out any Asia countries)

    May be Taiwan will prefer Japan rather than China. But they don't even had a seat in UN.... which make them not consider as a country at all. So.. who is Japan supporter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic
    Honestly, whatever happened in the past is quite irrevelant with what's going to happen in the future. Westerners aside, I would actually think if the Asian seat on the Council is on a rotational basis, a few countries in Asia will actually prefer to see Japan on it rather than China.
    Haha, everything is in direct or indirect relations from history. From 911 to current policy....

    Know your history and you won't repeat it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark75
    Some Japanese actually feel that their government should admit and learn from their mistakes. My JC friend went to a Jap school as a representative and in the hall, all of them bowed in apology. It really depends on the individual.

    My father once told me a positive thing that happened during the war. Before that, many local Singaporeans thought that white men were superior to the local people. But what he witness opened his eyes. He saw Asian men, smaller in stature, whipping white men in chains. Of course, we sympathise with the pain that the British soldiers went through, but it showed that no race is superior to another. This before a nation of mixed races got into the war.

    Mitsubishi used to build the engines for Zero fighters, does that mean we should avoid using their products now? Maybe; you have the right to decide.

    Personally, till they say 'sorry', I DO NOT think that they should be given a seat. Look, it's all politics. It's about the government, not the race.

    Only when the Japs apologise, then we can concentrate on the real war crimes that exist today.
    Well say.
    Only when the Japs apologise,
    only when they teach their new generation the actual things happen on WWII,
    only when the Japs ....

    When they are apologise as what Germany did?
    When they are going to teach the new generation the actual things happen on WWII as what Germany did?
    When? When?

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    Currently 5 permanent seats - China, UK, USA, France & Russia

    It will be Russia + China vs USA + UK with France on neutral, issue depend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hommie
    Haha, everything is in direct or indirect relations from history. From 911 to current policy....

    Know your history and you won't repeat it!
    Problem is that the japs twisted the history, teached their new generation of citizens their version of history.

    So can I say they did not learn from their error / history, and @ some point of time in the future, they will repeat the mistake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benign
    Ok, let me try my best..... 'Heart of a thief, even grandmother knows' Eh sai boh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    Problem is that the japs twisted the history, teached their new generation of citizens their version of history.

    So can I say they did not learn from their error / history, and @ some point of time in the future, they will repeat the mistake?
    In their version of WW2 history, the new generation of Japanese would feel they are the victims simply because of the Nagasaki and Hiroshima A-bombs. Such distorted history might cause hatred among the Japanese for those countries it fought against, particularly USA.

    Hitler was a Lance-Corporal in the German army during WW1. The defeat of the Germans and the subsequent signing of disarmament treaties fuelled his ambitions to conquer the whole of Europe as an act of vengeance.

    Who knows, maybe we already have some of these little Hitlers amongst the Japanese punks waiting for his chance?

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    Let Japan have the seat.Any isolation will only make the right-wing elements in control of the Japanese Diet(Parliament) even stronger.It is not advisable to fan the flames of shortsightedness, and you have to know that the vested interests of the right-wing elements are quite strong.PM Koizumi needs their support to run a coalition government, and that's why certain protocols are still followed.Call it cultural nuances if you like, but each nation as its own way and time to come to terms with their past.

    To let Shintaro Ishihara and his ilk run the nation with impunity, all you need is Japan to be denied a seat on the UN Security Council.A Japan is needed to be the counterweight to China.Right now, China is the bigger threat, at least Japan is still under some shadow of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therat
    what make u think so...
    which country will prefer Japan...
    South Korea, North Korea, Vietname, Lao, Thailand, Philippine, Bruma, Malaysia, Singapore.. (Did I miss out any Asia countries)

    May be Taiwan will prefer Japan rather than China. But they don't even had a seat in UN.... which make them not consider as a country at all. So.. who is Japan supporter..
    And what makes you think the country you listed will prefer China?
    You ever heard of the Spratlys? That seem pretty much like a potential mess with most of the countries you listed already. Then there this little backyard war Vietnam had with China? Or the little territorial war India had with China up in the mountains? And there's the bit about China supplying missile technology to Pakistan. And dun be misled, North Korea and South Korea treat China as much as an aggressor as Japan. There have almost been as many invasions into the Korean Peninsula by China as there are dynasties. Japan isn't the only country in the region to alter their history books. Just a couple of months ago, the Koreas were protesting about Chinese claims to
    territory in their history books.

    Just because Japan is less preferred, doesn't mean that China will be more well-liked. Learning from history and not repeating mistakes is such a cliche phrase. What's to really stop people from repeating mistakes if they are bent on doing it. And what makes China a less likely aggressor in future should it become more powerful? The first sign of an aggressor country is usually political and military power. With the largest army in Asia now, who is more a likely future threat, you decide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkw
    Well, you are entitiled to your opinion, and I to mine, so to each his own. Right now, seeing the way China throws it's influence around like a 800 pound gorilla (remember the incident around PM's visit to Taiwan?), I'd side with Japan any day. IMO only, of course.....
    I hope you are just young or ignorant.

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    In all fairness, Japan deserves its chance to get a seat as permanent member of the UN. But what makes her more qualify than the rest of the other countries I really wonder......what about Indians? Africa? Arabs? Four out of the permanent five were previously a colonial powers anyway.....LOL

    Personally, I think United Nation is nothing more than window dressing....Or is it so fast the people of the world already forgot its incapacities dealing with superpowers. From U.S.S.R occupations of Eastern Europe till invasion of Afghanistan in the 80's and the latest: Iraq....psssttt by you know who. Whoever it is being the latest entry to UN.....I think of it as nothing but another new actor in town

    Anyway, the way war is fought is no longer the same.....Or are we again forgot the word: Nuclear. Maybe there are still people who believed living in a sub-terranian world. I wish none of us will ever see that day.

    I still want to see blue sky, green earth with people of joy.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic
    And what makes you think the country you listed will prefer China?
    You ever heard of the Spratlys? That seem pretty much like a potential mess with most of the countries you listed already. Then there this little backyard war Vietnam had with China? Or the little territorial war India had with China up in the mountains? And there's the bit about China supplying missile technology to Pakistan. And dun be misled, North Korea and South Korea treat China as much as an aggressor as Japan. There have almost been as many invasions into the Korean Peninsula by China as there are dynasties. Japan isn't the only country in the region to alter their history books. Just a couple of months ago, the Koreas were protesting about Chinese claims to
    territory in their history books.

    Just because Japan is less preferred, doesn't mean that China will be more well-liked. Learning from history and not repeating mistakes is such a cliche phrase. What's to really stop people from repeating mistakes if they are bent on doing it. And what makes China a less likely aggressor in future should it become more powerful? The first sign of an aggressor country is usually political and military power. With the largest army in Asia now, who is more a likely future threat, you decide.
    I wonder.. Why are there still so many China threat theorists out there?
    In 1949, China, then a weak country, had to cede much of its territory to USSR after having its arm twisted by the Soviet bloc. Now even after Beijing has gained more clout vis-a-vis a very weak Moscow, did China make any effort in regaining the ceded land?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benign
    In all fairness, Japan deserves its chance to get a seat as permanent member of the UN. But what makes her more qualify than the rest of the other countries I really wonder......what about Indians? Africa? Arabs? Four out of the permanent five were previously a colonial powers anyway.....LOL

    Personally, I think United Nation is nothing more than window dressing....Or is it so fast the people of the world already forgot its incapacities dealing with superpowers. From U.S.S.R occupations of Eastern Europe till invasion of Afghanistan in the 80's and the latest: Iraq....psssttt by you know who. Whoever it is being the latest entry to UN.....I think of it as nothing but another new actor in town

    Anyway, the way war is fought is no longer the same.....Or are we again forgot the word: Nuclear. Maybe there are still people who believed living in a sub-terranian world. I wish none of us will ever see that day.

    I still want to see blue sky, green earth with people of joy.....

    'the one-eyed man is a king in the country of the blind' (proverb)
    That brings us to the debate.. Is UN still relevant today?
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