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    Quote Originally Posted by xtemujin View Post
    Maybe karma as so many people cursing with the dust issues on the D600.
    Aiyo, buy camera also have karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    Aiyo, buy camera also have karma.
    The issue is real and proven but they choose not to response. What do you expect buyer to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avsquare

    Or it could also have been that Nikon FF upgraders doesn't feel that they need the whopping 36MP and humongous file sizes that comes with it.

    For one, I started out with the D800E and eventually settled for the D600 as the 36MP is really not needed and the D600 came with a very nice package - 100%VF, FF and dual card slot, which I think is the 3 most important thing for a FF DSLR in today's context.
    I agree with this more. I too went from D800 to thinking i don't need it, to settling for a D600. Since the D800/E has been touted as a pro-grade FF and indeed has been shown to require more care/technique in execution, the D600 became the "better" choice for many Nikon followers.

    "Bo-pian", hope next round, they come up with another winning D300/D700/D3 lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mogwai View Post
    I agree with this more. I too went from D800 to thinking i don't need it, to settling for a D600. Since the D800/E has been touted as a pro-grade FF and indeed has been shown to require more care/technique in execution, the D600 became the "better" choice for many Nikon followers.

    "Bo-pian", hope next round, they come up with another winning D300/D700/D3 lineup.
    I think Nikon also "Bo-pian".
    They knew the Canon 6d was coming out.

    If they price they D600 higher, they may lose market share. Its a classic case of going for Margin or Market Share.
    In any case, thanks to Canon, the Nikon consumers have gained from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sukhoi37 View Post
    The issue is real and proven but they choose not to response. What do you expect buyer to do?
    While being highly profit- oriented, I think over the years Nikon has also accumulated some good karma. Let's hope that the good karma is sufficient to overcome the bad karma.

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    As a finance graduate, I really don't think karma plays a role in the markets. Or at least there hasn't been any theory or even study on karma and the stock markets. Haha. But it would be ground breaking if there is evidence to suggest that! Haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur Shadow View Post
    As a finance graduate, I really don't think karma plays a role in the markets. Or at least there hasn't been any theory or even study on karma and the stock markets. Haha. But it would be ground breaking if there is evidence to suggest that! Haha!
    Ha ha, I think only the Buddhists, Canon (Kwanon/Kwan Yim Pusa), Hindus and Boy George believe in karma.

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    imo

    1) selling the v series too late and too expensive

    2) selling d800?
    kills the d3X,
    not the d700 replacement

    3) sell the crap d600
    slightly better than the d7000 but only full frame

    4) now going to replace a new dx model
    to replace the d300s+d7000

    5) d4 is not worth upgrading from d3/d3s
    dual CF will be good, ergonomics is excellent
    but i guess since it is sony sensor (right?) they don have a choice but to include the xqd

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    Quote Originally Posted by soeypixels View Post
    but i guess since it is sony sensor (right?) they don have a choice but to include the xqd
    no link. It was Nikon's own choice to use xqd. Otherwise you would see even the a99 have an xqd slot. Just using a sony sensor does not mean they are "forced" to use xqd
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    Quote Originally Posted by avsquare View Post

    Or it could also have been that Nikon FF upgraders doesn't feel that they need the whopping 36MP and humongous file sizes that comes with it.

    For one, I started out with the D800E and eventually settled for the D600 as the 36MP is really not needed and the D600 came with a very nice package - 100%VF, FF and dual card slot, which I think is the 3 most important thing for a FF DSLR in today's context.
    That's exactly my point - the d600, which is a very low-margin product, is what people who may have bought a d800 settled for instead.

    Think of when the sony a850 came out (it cost as much/little as the 6D) - sony did it to try and capture market share, but every a850 was actually sold at a loss. They were banking on lens revenue. Nikon is getting hit with the same thing now, a low-profit/loss-making budget FF but people are not buying the lenses in the volumes they expected - because many already had the lenses, they only bought the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    That's exactly my point - the d600, which is a very low-margin product, is what people who may have bought a d800 settled for instead.

    Think of when the sony a850 came out (it cost as much/little as the 6D) - sony did it to try and capture market share, but every a850 was actually sold at a loss. They were banking on lens revenue. Nikon is getting hit with the same thing now, a low-profit/loss-making budget FF but people are not buying the lenses in the volumes they expected - because many already had the lenses, they only bought the body.
    I'm not sure why they would thought that way, or their market research dept is not doing their job.

    Cos any dude out there who had the $ and the intention to move to FF, would have a few capable FX lens by the time they move to FF. If they are thinking that these potential D600 buyers are all using DX cam and all DX lens and when they buy the D600, they will magically dump all their DX lens and move to FX lens.. I think they are pretty darn wrong lol..

    Plus, 3rd party makers are coming out with higher quality and extremely competitive FX lens which further eats into their lens market share.

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    Remember the 1D3 issue to struck Canon really, really hard?

    We've yet to have something like that. The D800/D4 AF issue wasn't as blown up as that incident, but what makes us Nikon users feel most at pain is the painful customer service process at most nikon service centres. If you read dpreview the horror stories are everywhere. Luckily the americans know how to kpkb.

    I'm really surprised that this round canon won this big. I expected it but the number of complains they received for 5D3, 1DX & 6D is really, really low. The improvements to major i guess.

    Don't worry, every manufacturer who kena this "lousy QC saga" work up within 2-3 years. Canon & Sigma already woke up, so give Nikon 1 more year, they might become angels. I will be praying.
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    This is Nikon's 80th Anniversary video, similar to the one posted earlier by UncleFai. 80 years of accumulating good karma, just that the consumer electronics game is a little harder to play.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Abybv2LrmK8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    no link. It was Nikon's own choice to use xqd. Otherwise you would see even the a99 have an xqd slot. Just using a sony sensor does not mean they are "forced" to use xqd
    haha i am just being imaginative

    a CF/CF will be the best or a CF/SD

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    Quote Originally Posted by soeypixels

    haha i am just being imaginative

    a CF/CF will be the best or a CF/SD
    Actually, if XQD had been more readily available (with the help from Sandisk & Lexar) to drive the price down, it might be just as ideal as CF & SD combo. Lexar had made the move, but without the 16GB option, it's just making adoption of this technology even steeper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowseye

    Actually, if XQD had been more readily available (with the help from Sandisk & Lexar) to drive the price down, it might be just as ideal as CF & SD combo. Lexar had made the move, but without the 16GB option, it's just making adoption of this technology even steeper...
    I think it is a simple case where current technology is too entrenched and there is no move to the newer XQD standard. Both card and equipment manufacturers are hesitant to adopt a standard that has no backing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur Shadow

    I think it is a simple case where current technology is too entrenched and there is no move to the newer XQD standard. Both card and equipment manufacturers are hesitant to adopt a standard that has no backing.
    Then what were Sony & Nikon smoking when they came up with the creation of XQD? A drunken one night stand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowseye

    Then what were Sony & Nikon smoking when they came up with the creation of XQD? A drunken one night stand?
    Hahaha... You can never know...!
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    I actually think Nikon is being smart this time round. They launched the D800 first, and the sensor is what attracted people. And it's a double edged sword, some people start to realise that it is actually overkill, you need to have proper technique, top glass to get the best out of it etc. While others are more than happy with the resolution and DR, and the boundaries that Nikon has pushed with such a camera.

    Those who think that they can't get the most out of the D800 will have to find a way to downgrade, and D700 is no longer available. So the introduction of the D600 comes at the perfect timing, for both users wanting to get into full frame, at the same time for unsatisfied D800 users. Unlike previously, where the D700 was so good that users no longer needed a 2nd option. This is their way of getting more sales. And if you compare the 6D with the D600, I can't see myself getting the Canon over the Nikon(except the dust issues)

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    Actually, I still love what D800 produces. It will be my main body for portrait and landscape. But for event, it's simply too overkill for my HDD as the growth over 6 events already takes up 1/4 for a 2 TB HDD. But D600 is definitely out for me.
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