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    Quote Originally Posted by soeypixels View Post
    sion is slow
    alr shifted from service wanted to here
    don always hide in kpt hahahahaha
    And will shift from here to Kopitiam for more comments.

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    Aiyah, after reading the whole thread its quite obvious that this kklee guy is either the same person as the TS, or is the guy who took TS's assignment. But who cares about whoever the dumbo took the cheapo job.

    The important thing is the sharing here. This is a good example of how a shrewd business will eat up a naive one. With the high number of naives, its a flourishing market for bargain hunters. These are the same people who will try to prevent the growth and education of photographers so that they can continue to captialize on this growing trend of cheap resource. They are not interested in newbies who just bought a camera, but actually they are preying on newbies who started to get good and skilled, yet still unschooled in the business aspect of photography.

    If you are a pro, both full time and part time, you have a stake in this industry and we all have a shared responsibility to safeguard it.

    End of the day, we just want to carve a living out of a passion. But never let that passion become a thing to be manipulated by others.

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    I haven't participated in this debate yet as I was deliberating on just how I would execute this shoot? If this is the quality that the cuff link guys are after, I really don't think it can be done with just a D3200 or a 1100D mated to a kit lens. And it isn't because the dSLR or the lens is inadequate; however, good light control is very critical.

    While we can all get creative with this, using various forms of cheap constant lighting, it needs to be really soft or the silver-metallic part of the cuff links won't be exposed correctly.

    All in all, it can be done cheaply, with a cheap photographic setup, done with much flair and improvisation. Pair this with free photo editing software, I'd think it is economically viable, at least for those that merely seek to recover variable costs.

    Yet, I think a novice will have to be pretty lucky to pull this one off, and anyone moderately good ought to charge more than $2 per shot. That's what I think.
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    As for the larger debate on "low-cost jobs", (abbreviated into LCJ) there is clearly a lot of emotions here.

    1. I actually think it is wise to acknowledge that such LCJ are here to stay and there will always be demand and willing photographers as the supply for various reasons, although it is quite clear that some of the reasons aren't in concurrence with business acumen.

    2. Education is important, although that are obvious limits. People will still seek to have a low cost solution to their photographic demands, and photographers who deem it as viable with take up the task anyway.

    3. Rational professional Photographers will seek to differentiate via their strengths and competitive advantages, resulting in the premium they command.

    4. Aspiring photographers need to find their strengths and leverage on it.

    5. Other business aspects (marketing, sales, cash flow management) certainly cannot be ignored.

    6. Photography is not easily scalable. Hence, there is little to gain via the low-cost route. Photographers in this segment won't grow any richer.

    7. It's a business guys. Let the money do the talking.
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    hahaha S$2/shot. wahahahahaa

    a pity i read about this thread only now. i would've made a big angbao for CNY, not forgetting some 'S$72,436 p.a' as mentioned. wahahahahahaa


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    i have stopped selling soft copies back to clients who booked my service for family shoot. Now they must buy in prints. Which is better for photographers and clients.
    Eat breath LIVERPOOL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonB View Post
    Aiyah, after reading the whole thread its quite obvious that this kklee guy is either the same person as the TS, or is the guy who took TS's assignment. But who cares about whoever the dumbo took the cheapo job.
    I like the way you craft your statement.
    You're saying that it is quite easily understood that

    kklee = guy who took the assignment

    and since you said that the dumbo who took that cheapo job, it becomes

    kklee = dumbo

    I hope that is not name calling ?
    Last edited by kklee; 16th February 2013 at 11:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur Shadow View Post
    As for the larger debate on "low-cost jobs", (abbreviated into LCJ) there is clearly a lot of emotions here.

    1. I actually think it is wise to acknowledge that such LCJ are here to stay and there will always be demand and willing photographers as the supply for various reasons, although it is quite clear that some of the reasons aren't in concurrence with business acumen.

    2. Education is important, although that are obvious limits. People will still seek to have a low cost solution to their photographic demands, and photographers who deem it as viable with take up the task anyway.

    3. Rational professional Photographers will seek to differentiate via their strengths and competitive advantages, resulting in the premium they command.

    4. Aspiring photographers need to find their strengths and leverage on it.

    5. Other business aspects (marketing, sales, cash flow management) certainly cannot be ignored.

    6. Photography is not easily scalable. Hence, there is little to gain via the low-cost route. Photographers in this segment won't grow any richer.

    7. It's a business guys. Let the money do the talking.

    I like the term LCJ and today, I re-learned two words today from Michael Langford - professional and amateur.
    By his explanation, it probably may not make business sense to a professional, but it may appeal to amateur because it is not a livelihood thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonB View Post
    Aiyah, after reading the whole thread its quite obvious that this kklee guy is either the same person as the TS, or is the guy who took TS's assignment. But who cares about whoever the dumbo took the cheapo job.

    The important thing is the sharing here. This is a good example of how a shrewd business will eat up a naive one. With the high number of naives, its a flourishing market for bargain hunters. These are the same people who will try to prevent the growth and education of photographers so that they can continue to captialize on this growing trend of cheap resource. They are not interested in newbies who just bought a camera, but actually they are preying on newbies who started to get good and skilled, yet still unschooled in the business aspect of photography.

    If you are a pro, both full time and part time, you have a stake in this industry and we all have a shared responsibility to safeguard it.

    End of the day, we just want to carve a living out of a passion. But never let that passion become a thing to be manipulated by others.

    It is a little worse than that I think we are talking to a troll here. Who gets off with all the attention. Possibly you are also right he is the ONE who thought this was a wonder opportunity to make lots of money, build a wonderful portfolio and get rich of the portfolio. I suppose if all else fails kklee can always rely on his day job maybe sell some hovels to some 4th world immigrants.

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