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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post
    ... u can't seem to wrap your skull across anything but politics ...
    I'm waiting to see the day when I see a complaint from a photographer (this being Clubsnap) that he can't take photographs at Punggol beach because there's too many people in Singapore, therefore there are too many photographers in Singapore. They are crowding his frame, it's all their fault and they are deaf yada yada...

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    I'm waiting to see the day when I see a complaint from a photographer (this being Clubsnap) that he can't take photographs at Punggol beach because there's too many people in Singapore, therefore there are too many photographers in Singapore. They are crowding his frame, it's all their fault and they are deaf yada yada...
    But last time you already complained about inconsiderate people walking in front of your camera at Esplanade...
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    Oh, you might wish to point that out to cyclists. There's this walkway near my place full of bicycles, and the cyclists expect to be given right of way. That's fine and logical but they should really keep in mind that it can be quite frustrating for pedestrians. Once a lady got fed up because she was zig zagging due to the insistence of the cyclists travelling there not to go in a straight line therefore making her move from side to side. She told a cyclist with his girlfriend or wife on the back of the bicycle that "he was not supposed to be here and should be on the road". The cyclist got down and started shouting vulgarities at her and challenging her to a showdown. Macho man. From my POV, he looked rather silly and ungentlemanly.
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    Yeah, there are cyclists like that. And there are also a lot of us who do follow the rules (not, however, the asinine TP bike safety video!). Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

    We have a huge attitude problem in Singapore with shared facilities, with each user demanding the right of use over others. The root cause is selfishness. A selfish cyclist is likely to behave the same way as a pedestrian, or as a driver. So it's not as if cyclists, pedestrians or drivers are the main problem as individual groups. It's just selfish behaviour by selfish individuals, no matter what their form of transport.

    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    Oh, you might wish to point that out to cyclists. There's this walkway near my place full of bicycles, and the cyclists expect to be given right of way. That's fine and logical but they should really keep in mind that it can be quite frustrating for pedestrians. Once a lady got fed up because she was zig zagging due to the insistence of the cyclists travelling there not to go in a straight line therefore making her move from side to side. She told a cyclist with his girlfriend or wife on the back of the bicycle that "he was not supposed to be here and should be on the road". The cyclist got down and started shouting vulgarities at her and challenging her to a showdown. Macho man. From my POV, he looked rather silly and ungentlemanly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin Francis View Post
    Yeah, there are cyclists like that. And there are also a lot of us who do follow the rules (not, however, the asinine TP bike safety video!). Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

    We have a huge attitude problem in Singapore with shared facilities, with each user demanding the right of use over others. The root cause is selfishness. A selfish cyclist is likely to behave the same way as a pedestrian, or as a driver. So it's not as if cyclists, pedestrians or drivers are the main problem as individual groups. It's just selfish behaviour by selfish individuals, no matter what their form of transport.
    yes man! The root cause is selfishness! no amount of policy or regualtion can help if everyone is selfish.

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    It's simply the "King of the Road" mentality. Road rages are common in all urban cities.

    Picked up defensive driving quite some time ago (skid pan FTW) and it really helped me in many circumstances. Perhaps the authorities should set it as a mandatory course for all drivers and riders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    It is a tragedy, but let's not politicize this, please. I've seen enough posts on the internet attributing this incident to policies. That's quite a long shot from my point of view. I don't think our roads have gotten narrower over the years either. Cheers.
    Not from political POV. Whichever party the policy comes from, i would say the same.
    It is more from a personal feel. Whenever i go out during weekends i feel "suffocated", "strained". LOL. Cannot even walk freely in shopping mall without bumping into people.
    Even the trees feel the strain too. They start falling more frequently in recent years. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post

    ... u can't seem to wrap your skull across anything but politics ...
    Politics and government policies affect our life.. . we cannot escape it can we?

    They refused to do anything until life has been lost and this is not new... remember the Ferrari accident traffic light.... how many accidents happened and no changes? This junction is also another hot spot... why they did not action earlier? It is 2 life lost! !

    Totally preventable if action has been taken earlier......
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    I'm a cyclist myself.

    I've seen cyclist deaths in front of me, I've witness idotic cyclist, I've witness people that should not be behind the wheel of a motor vehicle at all.
    I've had my fair share of getting hit by vans/cars that drove off without rendering assistance.

    Many believe bicycles shouldnt be on the road. They believe we should be on parks/park connectors. Fyi its illegal to cycle on the pavement. As for park connectors, if I'm not wrong, the speed is 15kmph......
    I train for triathalons as a hobby to challenge myself & honestly my average running speed is 10kmph on foot, on bike, averaging out at 35kmph. Easily am moving faster than I'm supposed to on the PCN 15kmph speed limit.

    Problem with park connectors, you have tons of people, through experience, accidents on park connectors/pavements are more common & higher risk to a cyclist then being on the road. On the park connectors, its a wrecked bike, scrapped skin or some fractures.
    On the road, the accident has a high chance it leads to death.

    I would say the real thing we need is education & courtesy. Honestly some cyclist are just monkeys on bikes & some drivers, I honestly dont know how they got a driving license.
    Everything in SIN starts with "lim peh", which is bloody annoying.

    Education on both sides really need to be done, even pedestrians. Instead of shouting at both camps, have we really took at step back & looked at what we have become? Seriously, its been more than 10 years of courtesy campaign going on but everyone still learns F all. Its a national embarrassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    Politics and government policies affect our life.. . we cannot escape it can we?

    They refused to do anything until life has been lost and this is not new... remember the Ferrari accident traffic light.... how many accidents happened and no changes? This junction is also another hot spot... why they did not action earlier? It is 2 life lost! !

    Totally preventable if action has been taken earlier......
    And you only seem to see everything from the point of politics.

    From another thread about squash:
    Kampong games is looked down by high nose.... miw? Lol.....
    Kampong spirit???

    Ya... well.... he who destroyed that spirit is telling it is our fault once again.....

    Ok... Provision shops is one of the point of kampong spirit... where family run business become a link to the community....

    Now... mostly replaced by impersonal 7-11, Cheers whose stuffs are changed and are not permanent... so how does the kampong spirit grow????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    Politics and government policies affect our life.. . we cannot escape it can we?

    They refused to do anything until life has been lost and this is not new... remember the Ferrari accident traffic light.... how many accidents happened and no changes? This junction is also another hot spot... why they did not action earlier? It is 2 life lost! !

    Totally preventable if action has been taken earlier......
    We should be the ones taking action for each and every one of our fellow citizen's safety, not some stupid government policy. Is this the kind of mindset we should be teaching our children? That the government needs to police us all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamypoko View Post
    We should be the ones taking action for each and every one of our fellow citizen's safety, not some stupid government policy. Is this the kind of mindset we should be teaching our children? That the government needs to police us all?
    At my place, the is a major road with 3-lanes (total 6) in both direction served by an overhead bridge.
    There is a center divider separating the two directions.
    I often see people crossing this 6-lanes road instead of using the overhead bridge.
    You have old adults, young adults, children, toddlers, babies in pram, etc, etc.
    There is even a nice concrete footpath made to facilitate people crossing in the centre divider.

    For safety, I could have increased my shutter count and STOMP but I think if the authorities give out fines there, perhaps more people
    will be concern about safety and educating safety.

    It was not too long ago that something happened.

    5-year-old girl killed in accident at Punggol
    STOMP - Singapore Seen - 5-year-old girl killed in accident at Punggol

    On the recent case, if the boys were on the road, probably the truck driver would have seen them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamypoko View Post
    We should be the ones taking action for each and every one of our fellow citizen's safety, not some stupid government policy. Is this the kind of mindset we should be teaching our children? That the government needs to police us all?
    cool down brother

    he just mention "affect".. which is true.. all policies affect us..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post

    And you only seem to see everything from the point of politics.

    From another thread about squash:
    I am usually in canon discussion thread and you may go and see if I linked everything with politics.

    Of course everyone have their perspective and I'm just sharing mine. Readers here ought to be matured to know if my link is valid or if it is wild accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamypoko View Post

    We should be the ones taking action for each and every one of our fellow citizen's safety, not some stupid government policy. Is this the kind of mindset we should be teaching our children? That the government needs to police us all?
    They have long refused to broaden the walk way to share with pedestrian. Instead they forced cyclist to be on the road..

    In the tampines accident, I'm not sure what is the cause. But in many other cyclist related accidents, most to my memory were hit while on the road cycling. If they did not forced cyclist on the road, these deaths could hv been avoided.

    In punggol, there's another hot spot.... raised during PE BE. Not sure what has been done there.

    I can at least say I offered solution to one hot spot and lui implemented it the next day. Though I'm not sure if I was the only one who emailed him my solution.

    I hate to see people die..... especially young ones.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfoto100 View Post

    cool down brother

    he just mention "affect".. which is true.. all policies affect us..
    Thanks for your kind comment.
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    Some people find this amusing which does not reflect well on them. See this 90% LOL rating in Stomp.

    The news made a special effort to point out that the 56 year old cement mixer driver was a Singaporean.
    They were afraid that if the driver was a foreigner, then it can cause another uproar.

    Actually this accident is a systemic failure.

    Long ago, the PCR (pedestrian crossing rules) were put in place to allow motor vehicles to turn and drive across a pedestrian crossing at the traffic lights; provided the driver can see that there were no pedestrians - even when the GREEN man was still blinking and in favour of the pedestrians.
    The rationale for this rule is to allow motor vehicles to drive on and not hold up traffic.

    Before that change, all cars have to stop and can only drive on when the traffic lights change - regardless of whether there were pedestrians crossing or not.

    So now, the important phrase is "provided the driver can see that there were no pedestrians". This is a left turn.
    If the driver is in a tall and huge cement mixer and is in a rush to deliver cement to the work site, he may not spot the pedestrians.
    It could be a blind spot and if he has no assistant sitting on the left hand side, the driver on the right driver's seat may not see.
    Instead of slowly inching up at the turning to check whether there were pedestrians; the driver may have assumed that most people would give way to a behemoth even if the pedestrian crossing light was in their favour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    But last time you already complained about inconsiderate people walking in front of your camera at Esplanade...
    I'm afraid you are pretending not to get my point. I think you do, because I do believe that you're not dumb, but you're just taking the chance to troll. But that's to be expected mar, hor. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    Not from political POV. Whichever party the policy comes from, i would say the same.
    It is more from a personal feel. Whenever i go out during weekends i feel "suffocated", "strained". LOL. Cannot even walk freely in shopping mall without bumping into people.
    Even the trees feel the strain too. They start falling more frequently in recent years. LOL
    You have a right to feel what you feel. I don't dispute your feeling and it is not an isolated complaint, obviously.

    But I don't think it's right to link anything and everything, including 2 tragic deaths resulting from an unfortunate event, to policy. Having more people, having less people, what happened happened. It's riding on another person/group of person's misfortune to vent your frustration. That's where I'm coming from and I hope you understand this point. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin Francis View Post
    Yeah, there are cyclists like that. And there are also a lot of us who do follow the rules (not, however, the asinine TP bike safety video!). Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

    We have a huge attitude problem in Singapore with shared facilities, with each user demanding the right of use over others. The root cause is selfishness. A selfish cyclist is likely to behave the same way as a pedestrian, or as a driver. So it's not as if cyclists, pedestrians or drivers are the main problem as individual groups. It's just selfish behaviour by selfish individuals, no matter what their form of transport.
    Sorry, I didn't mean to refer to "cyclists" as a whole group. My bad. I meant the unreasonable ones.

    Actually I also think that it is rather dangerous for cyclists to be on the road because of the typical Singaporean driver.

    I do agree with you - let's all give and take. It's not my road, your road, my right of way, your right of way. A little bit more courtesy, a little bit more mutual understanding, a little bit more heart... This will only make Singapore a better place.
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