if you need a partner for this year event, let me know..Originally Posted by Phildate
if you need a partner for this year event, let me know..Originally Posted by Phildate
i think it's best not to let your company know that you have good equipment/skill in photography.
cos then they will ask u to do free, and if u say gotta charge, they will think you are moonlighting as a freelancer (and some big companies prohibit that, check out your letter of appointment)
for me it's a totally different ball game. it's a small company, (less than 10 staff) and my boss loves and approves of my work, and let's me take leave when i have to shoot weddings. (usually give him one month's notice!)
so if he wanted me to help him shoot our products or just some stuff work related, i'd be glad to do it for him. but no d&d's or big events for 10 staff lar of course!
good luck figuring this out...
I think it's a big mistake to let the company or friends know you are into photography.
I also kenna but not in a big way. So far I've only shot 4 awards won by our company FOC. Lucky that our company doesn't win award every month.
I juz kenna the same situation today. Was at this meeting discussing about an event when colleagues who know I'm into photography volunteered my service (no warning!)
Immediately I turned her down. And you know what, my company has a paid photogapher i.e he is hired as a photographer and they don't even want to ask him first.
Another previous incident, they tried to use top management to pressurize me when I refuse. And I am still a newbie in photography!
Bottom Line is: Just don't let your company know you are into photography.
well, it is hard to say NO to directors. but we managed to say NO.
long story cut short, they managed to find a main photog.
we will be there as backup's backup (maybe want us to showface ) ....
*we still thinking why need backup's backup*.
good jobOriginally Posted by scud
can don't bring cam?
definately not bringing.Originally Posted by madmacs
All this talk reminds me of NS days...pain in the ass.There were some I would help shoot, and there were many I just fibbed off.
Imagine they come up to you and say, since you have a prosumer, why don't you be the photographer.Then I tell them , if you can take the risk that the photos are not SLR quality, so be it.But of course I only did it for those guys that are worth the time.
We live in an age when unnecessary things are our only necessities. - Oscar Wilde
Maybe let you company know you have a manual 35 mm film camera with a 50mm lens, no flash, see they still want you to shoot or not?
FYI, there is a clause in the Employment Act that states you have the right to reject any job not stated in your contract.
But then, that's only theory. And theory doesn't always go in real life situation, I know.
Then why the h$LL are we studying so hard for???
Happen to me. Big boss requested me to take photos for
1) "testing m/c". I took.
2) next he ask me to take the production, I took.
3 than he push the envolope too far by requesting me to take some other stuff. I rejected. Politely telling him I do take product photo outside, but I charge them. For company, I dont mind not making profit, but they have to pay for my eqpt. as I nedd $$ to maintain them. He was not very please. I told him to put himself in my shoe and left him to think. from there on, he stop asking me to take photos.
photography makes one sees things from all angles.
to come out with the exployment act lorOriginally Posted by Poledra
dk, yes it is true, there will be more to come if we agree to the 1st time.
glad that u r able to put a full stop to it.
they probably wont know the diff. tell them only have $11 single-use fuji/kodak camera and they may still ask you to shootOriginally Posted by catchlights
I've not been in this situation, however as a professional photographer I'm constantly being approached to do pro bono jobs for various organisations, most of which I refuse to do.Originally Posted by scud
However a few ideas that might appeal to you.
1) Inform the people who volunteered you for the job that you'll be expecting time during work for scanning, processing of the negs or digital files, plus suitable software / hardware for the job, otherwise you'll get the work professionally scanned / worked on at a cost of XX dollars a frame.. (typical pro costs, $70~110 per image scan, $50~70 for digital image manipulation. Infom them that the time required is approx 1 work day per 36 images if it's film. That usually scares hell out of the boss.
2) Let the organisation know that your standing charges are $20-40 per roll of film (plus cost of film, development etc) if using a genuine pro-grade DSLR or SLR to cover depreciation, equipement repair and offset the cost of gear replacement due to wear and tear.
3) Don't use your rechargable batteries. Only use premium grade alkalines and let them know how many dozen you will need
4) Inform the boss that you will need extra special "expensive" pro grade film, which unfortunately is only available across the other side of Singapore, so you'll need time off work to go get it, as well as travel expenses, and oh, the lab that does the best job is located over there, so guess what? you'll need two extra sets of time off to drop off the work and pick it up.
5) Work out a dream list of lighting gear you'll need, give the boss the list and the hire costs ...
If you're creative you can inflate the costs to the point that there is no way they'll take you on for the job.
The Ang Moh from Hell
Professional Photography - many are called, few are chosen!
Ian, that's good stuff, will try it out next time, hafta save this page as PDF
Does your employer tolerate occasional use of workplace facilities or company time for private purposes (e.g. private email, web browsing, printing, phone calls)? S/he doesn't have to do that either...Originally Posted by scud
Isn't it a good thing if your company recognizes your talent? When the going gets tough, who will they lay off - the guy/gal who doesn't move a finger beyond what is written in the contract, or the one that shows some flexibility and is willing to go the extra mile when needed? What goes around comes around ...2. this will be 1st time, and i'm pretty sure there will be next time.... so this will not stop unless we resign from day job!
Helping out where necessary goes without saying in other countries and is considered good work attitude. No wonder Singapore needs foreign talent ...
If you don't want to do it, tell your boss and don't do it - but don't make up excuses.it this point, we do not want to do it.
wanna hear from those who were in this situation before.
I voluntarily took photos in the past from company events, and I did my share in organizing and ensuring the smooth running of conferences when requested. I'm pretty sure my past bosses honoured it - I had a lot of freedom in doing my work, and even in tough budget situations, they always carved out funding for extending my contract.
Good comments from LittleWolf, especially the first point.
If you feel compelled to do it, but feel strongly about equipment depreciation, you can always just offer services. Tell them that your third auntie's son borrow your camera for a trip or the camera is in the workshop. Service is free, but equipment rental is at S$X.
I was in your situation once. Became a photographer for the company event. Following year they ask again. I said camera spoil. They insisted as they know I got a spare camera. I said ok. On the day took mc. Did not turn out for the event. No more request from them after that. It seems that it is now a trend for companies to ask their staff to take photos during company events. They can spend 10 - 20 thousand for the function but refuse to pay 400 or 500 for a photographer .
You mean that my employer does not do that at all? If his/her spouse called up during office hour he/she would off the phone or not take it at all, is it?Originally Posted by LittleWolf
I dunno, from where foreign talents came from, their union are strong, they are being protected by rules and laws, hence, the thread 'Exploitation'. We have neither. Btw which part of the world are you referring to or come from??Originally Posted by LittleWolf
You obviously have not have jobs piled up skyhigh and when requested for extra jobs(like take photo during company event) are not given any time off or lesser workload on top of everything you have. You are lucky, your company appreciate the works you put in, a lot do not......Originally Posted by LittleWolf