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    Look at Switzerland, they practically 'import' the entire team for Ryder's Cup and won it with much hooha from New Zealand, whom ex-captain was in the Swiss Team. Are the Swiss proud and happy of their achievement? Does that feel good rubs off on their people and simulate demand for the people to go sailing? It sure did!

    I don't know, but it appears to be that the world is getting smaller everyday as technology progresses and this whole concept of what a nation is and what it means to be a citizen of a country and even a citizen of the world is changing rapidly so I believe that it is time to put those outmoded nationalist ideals to rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nad
    I don't know, but it appears to be that the world is getting smaller everyday as technology progresses and this whole concept of what a nation is and what it means to be a citizen of a country and even a citizen of the world is changing rapidly so I believe that it is time to put those outmoded nationalist ideals to rest.
    Yeah look at Singapore where practically every Asian country is represented by its residents not to mention the Aussies, The Yanks and the Brits living and working there.

    We are small in size but big in nationalities. Which sport we are weak in we just buy the team. We may live to see the day Manchester United playing
    for Geylang in the National Stadium or Thorpo swims for Singapore national relay team.

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    the only way those ministers living in ivory towers
    can convince me that just because FT holds pink IC is when
    these FT can be a minister,
    not PM, but definitely a minister will do.

    can imagine how much cheaper too it will cost
    me to hv a chinaman minister.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whoelse
    our forefathers are all foreign "talent" coming to singapore for better tomorrow. that is why we have hokkiens, teochews etc.
    not all that correct,
    ur analogy that is.

    did ur forefathers came here to represent the
    country in anything?
    mine was here to toll for a living,
    and building up Singapore indirectly.

    what we r do now is to pouch these FT
    n claim them as our own,
    something that i can live without, like our DURIANS @ the bay.

    steal some good leaders if our government is truly serious,
    but that would hurt them where it hurts most.

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    Look at Australia; most of the sports people are 'foreign talent'!
    Descendents of those who came in ships a few hundred years ago (who were mostly criminals) hehe.

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    Truth be told without the british coloniztion, there wouldn't be a modern sg. I think they were the ones who brought the workers in for construction purposes etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamadam
    Look at Australia; most of the sports people are 'foreign talent'!
    Descendents of those who came in ships a few hundred years ago (who were mostly criminals) hehe.
    Who can outrun, outswim and outjump the police?

    Taking a leaf from the Aussie example maybe we should give those in Changi Jail a go at the Olympic Selection Trial too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by judeseah
    steal some good leaders if our government is truly serious,
    but that would hurt them where it hurts most.
    I think Clinton has got some spare time on his hands.

    But where do we find a Lewinsky for him to come hier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nad
    Look at Switzerland, they practically 'import' the entire team for Ryder's Cup and won it with much hooha from New Zealand, whom ex-captain was in the Swiss Team.
    i think u meant the america's cup.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by judeseah

    can imagine how much cheaper too it will cost
    me to hv a chinaman minister.

    OTFOI cheaper for his "official" salary... BUT more ex when he siphons billions from our banks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    Who can outrun, outswim and outjump the police?

    Taking a leaf from the Aussie example maybe we should give those in Changi Jail a go at the Olympic Selection Trial too?
    mike tyson was "discovered" in prison. mebbe we can unearth our olympic boxing champ from changi prison too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    I think Clinton has got some spare time on his hands.

    But where do we find a Lewinsky for him to come hier?
    didnt we have some porn queen who made that infamous video sometime ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    Yeah look at Singapore where practically every Asian country is represented by its residents not to mention the Aussies, The Yanks and the Brits living and working there.

    We are small in size but big in nationalities. Which sport we are weak in we just buy the team. We may live to see the day Manchester United playing
    for Geylang in the National Stadium or Thorpo swims for Singapore national relay team.
    sell geylang to bill gates lor....he can outbuy roman abramovich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tan131
    Just because we are born and bred here doesn't make us true singaporeans...
    born and bred here still not considered singaporean then what does?

    Quote Originally Posted by tan131
    how many of us are always critising the country..
    we criticise the government, not the country. anyway, the americans are very patriotic by nature, they also criticise their government, make jokes about their president on primetime national tv... so what...
    it doesnt mean that when u criticise means u dont belong to the country. its becoz we bother thats why we criticise.

    Quote Originally Posted by tan131
    come on.. all our forefathers were from china...
    not all, some were from india, some were from malaysia, dont be so self-centered just coz chinese are the majority in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by tan131
    The term "singaporean" now.. only means u hold a pink IC..
    really? what does it used to mean to be called a singaporean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    OK, would you feel proud if we win world cup, but only with all imported footballer, no singaporean?
    y not proud?
    50 years down the road, will u remember who was in the team? u will only remember that singapore won the cup.
    let me quote 1 example, we all remember that singapore won the malaysian cup in 1994(right year?) but who was the reserve right back then? or the 1st team left midfielder? any1 can remember without checking back the record books?
    seriously, do u remember the names of the players in the 1st brazilian world cup winning team? i bet not even brazilians will remember that.
    so, as long as the word "singapore" is inscribed onto the cup, who cares who won it for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denniskee
    Heard from news that sport persons had gone on a tour to get to know singapore better, so when they do represent singapore to compete in events oversea, they can introduce singapore to the fellow sport persons from other country.

    If you look deeper into this case, what this means is singapore cant produce our own sport talent, but have to import from oversea. Just look @ table tannis, dam, it more like china vs china (I dont mean to offends the sports persons themselve, just that I feel disappointed).

    Can anyone help me with some questions ..? How to define talents ? Whats the difference between foreign talenst and LOCAL talents ? Are there no locals that can be classified as talents ? Who's been building the economy of S'pore for the past 35 years ?

    i would love to hear comments to my questions..above....
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    1) I find it sad that some think that by pink ic = singaporean. Overly simplified statement here IMO.

    2) I didnt take up sport as a profession not because my parents were against it, they supports whatever decision my sibling and i made for ourselve. I tried taking football, but I find it crazy for so many guys chasing 1 ball over the field. Later, when I pick up bowling, I find it more to my liking (lazy man sport). But why didnt I train to be a pro? Simple, I like working with machine more than anything else, so I made it my profession.

    3) Would I encourage my kids (now no children lar)?

    Yes, if they show enough passion for what ever they set their mind to do. Why, cause I had been brought up this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tan131
    Just because we are born and bred here doesn't make us true singaporeans... how many of us are always critising the country.. come on.. all our forefathers were from china... The term "singaporean" now.. only means u hold a pink IC.. Sportsmen and sportswomen are the only ones who come under fire.. i dun think its fair.. wat abt those in the workforce?? are u going to stop foreign companies from starting a branch here cos they aren't singapore companies?? or will u go on strike becos they have a branch here and the chief ain a local?? ppl.. have a broader mindset..
    Born and bred may not make you a true singapore, but alot of born and bred here singaporean have the heart for singapore. We critise because we care or plain boring but I think mainly we care. You have a pink IC only show you are wanted by the governmnet to be a citzen and the right to defend Singapore, but to be a truely singaporean the heart must be there. I know of many such people whom have the heart for this tiny dot. But why aren't local sport people not getting the attention they desire? Very sad to say it our policy of wanting instant result. After so many years of putting deleveloping sport people in the back sit. Now we want instant result by getting "foreign talents" hoping they can get for us which I find it's childish. A broader mindset will to a have a complete system where local talent are discovered, encouarage, deleveloped and promoted to international sporting stage. Then parent will know there a sporting career here. In China a parent will not think twice to sent their kids to a far away training camp for sport people, even there millions such kids there. Because they know one day Singapore sport council will offer their kids a fat pay check, a singapore passport and a good career

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    What makes a so called true blue Singaporean then? Must be born and bred here? Must be a full-blooded Orang Laut? Oh dear!! Are we becoming a nation of xenophobes??
    Last edited by GDSNP; 14th March 2005 at 01:08 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GDSNP
    What makes a so called true blue Singaporean then? Must be born and bred here? Must be a full-blooded Orang Laut? Oh dear!! Are we becoming a nation of xenophobes??
    a true blue singaporean must have spilt blood/sweat/tears for singapore.

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