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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenten View Post
    Dun vote for the people who devised the COE scheme ......problem gone ......
    Sorry bro, that is really naive and simplistic... the car issue locally is more than just voting *** out.
    Give some thought to this:
    Can we afford to have everyone own a car?
    Will we want the kind of jams that Jarkata has?
    Is there a viable alternative plan to the COE?

    The key is improving mass transport so that we don't rely on cars as much. IMHO, car ownership is not for everyone. That may sound a bit snobbish, but the reality is that we will be stuck in permanent jams if we all aspire to own cars.
    Take a cab for days that we need that kind of transport and use the MRT when we can. Or live near your workplace. Final resort, in a tight supply market, save up for an expensive car.

    The COE price has gone up far too much, I agree, but whatever replaces it - ballot, and other schemes will either clog up the road or result in profiteering.

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    [QUOTE=petetherock;8321187]Sorry bro, that is really naive and simplistic... the car issue locally is more than just voting *** out.
    Give some thought to this:
    Can we afford to have everyone own a car?
    Will we want the kind of jams that Jarkata has?
    Is there a viable alternative plan to the COE?o

    The key is improving mass transport so that we don't rely on cars as much. IMHO, car ownership is not for everyone. That may sound a bit snobbish, but the reality is that we will be stuck in permanent jams if we all aspire to own cars.
    Take a cab for days that we need that kind of transport and use the MRT when we can. Or live near your workplace. Final resort, in a tight supply market, save up for an expensive car.

    The COE price has gone up far too much, I agree, but whatever replaces it - ballot, and other schemes will either clog up the road or result
    Just my

    Is the traffic congestion problem easing now that we have enforced the COE bidding system? Simplistic is the approach the policy makers used when they wanted you to believe a higher priced CO E will curb the urge to own a car .......
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    Car population control is necessary. Whoever you vote, no government can produce magic.

    Of course COE is not the only solution and definitely not going to solve everything. Among others, improvement on public transport is the most logical way. Take for example, if you drive and works in CBD area, would you drive or take a train 2 stations away for a meeting or drive?

    Like it or not, it will have to cost more to drive. I am hoping the public transport be excuse from such cost increase and limit to private cars only. Ultimately, any increase to public transport operating cost will be passed back, if not multiplied to consumers. Just like COE, it helps car dealers to make even more profits.

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    Update: Checked this and saw the video on Youtube. The story about being poor in his early life may be true - but this statement shows that after he became rich and successful, how he has changed.

    An unfortunate thing to say. How can everybody have a car when COE is shooting through the roof. A wise politician would never say this when contesting a BE. No wonder on TV, LHL looked visibly angry and pissed off when he was on stage sitting down next to the candidate.

    Surprisingly, lucid and eloquent comments on this issue can be found in a so-called dicey website Sammyboy e.g. by scroobal.

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    Stumbled on this when reading comments on Yahoo.
    "Well, everybody has a car, we have two - my wife drives one, I drive one. We are both professionals, we need to travel."
    Did some one really say that? Or was it a fiction that was repeated so often on the Internet that it was taken as the truth.
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    Its interesting that people are competing to have cars, which they complain expensive, but very few want to have children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Stumbled on this when reading comments on Yahoo.
    "Well, everybody has a car, we have two - my wife drives one, I drive one. We are both professionals, we need to travel."
    Did some one really say that? Or was it a fiction that was repeated so often on the Internet that it was taken as the truth.

    That was Dr Koh, said whilst on his rounds in Punggol East... repeated many times online..
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    i have mentioned it many times.

    the discontent stems from exorbitant pricing and taxing of cars without a commensurate quality of public transport.

    with quality metrics being ease and comfort of riding on bus , train and walking , coupled with reasonable fares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanzohattori View Post
    Its interesting that people are competing to have cars, which they complain expensive, but very few want to have children.
    Values change over time. That's life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanzohattori View Post
    Its interesting that people are competing to have cars, which they complain expensive, but very few want to have children.
    The world is over populated??

    But in SG... cost of a bringing up children is..... wah..........
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    Read in the newspaper few days ago IIRC it's about 350K to bring up a child till his working years..... Now how many baby do you want ? The baby bonus is 6k+6k one for one deposite in special account for 1st baby, that's a GREAT HELP ya
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    Quote Originally Posted by airfins View Post
    Read in the newspaper few days ago IIRC it's about 350K to bring up a child till his working years..... Now how many baby do you want ? The baby bonus is 6k+6k one for one deposite in special account for 1st baby, that's a GREAT HELP ya
    So.. not much diff with car ownership. Car + COE is around 200k, plus gas, insurance.. parking.. ERP, almost the same rite

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    This COE thing was a small monkey that has been allowed to grow into a 800 pound gorilla. When it was small, policy makers thought it was cute. Now it is an out of control monster that erodes the popularity of incumbent.
    Worse when a newbie says insensitive things like "Everybody has a car."

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    Something related but not exactly.

    Breathless in Beijing - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    Something related but not exactly.

    Breathless in Beijing - Newsweek and The Daily Beast
    Well.. we're willing to pay dearly for our own demise
    I think Singaporeans need a lil bit of perspective. Try to live in cities like Jakarta or Delhi for a year..
    after that, then we can complain about owning cars and the public transport.

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    We are the only one which introduces COE as a mean to control car population or tackle traffic congestion.

    An interesting readup.

    5 Cars You Can Buy (Overseas) For the Cost of a Toyota Corolla in Singapore - Yahoo! Singapore Finance

    Even if you don't compare with other countries but does it make sense to pay $100k for a piece of paper? You will work through the nose in order to pay for it. The related costs such as social cost is very high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi View Post
    We are the only one which introduces COE as a mean to control car population or tackle traffic congestion.

    An interesting readup.

    5 Cars You Can Buy (Overseas) For the Cost of a Toyota Corolla in Singapore - Yahoo! Singapore Finance

    Even if you don't compare with other countries but does it make sense to pay $100k for a piece of paper? You will work through the nose in order to pay for it. The related costs such as social cost is very high.

    So why can’t Beijing just clamp down on car ownership? Shanghai, for example, has raised the cost of vehicle license plates to restrict the number of cars on the road.
    I do note that based on the article below, the average cost of a license plate in Shanghai is 75K Yuan, which is $15K. But suffice to say, your statement that "we are the only one which introduces COE as a mean to control car population or tackle traffic congestion" isn't quite true, unless you wish to contest that a license plate is different from a COE, then that's just quibbling.

    License plates for automobiles in Shanghai can cost as much the cars they are intended to adorn. - China Real Time Report - WSJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi View Post
    We are the only one which introduces COE as a mean to control car population or tackle traffic congestion.

    An interesting readup.

    5 Cars You Can Buy (Overseas) For the Cost of a Toyota Corolla in Singapore - Yahoo! Singapore Finance

    Even if you don't compare with other countries but does it make sense to pay $100k for a piece of paper? You will work through the nose in order to pay for it. The related costs such as social cost is very high.
    It's crazy but do you have a better solution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    I do note that based on the article below, the average cost of a license plate in Shanghai is 75K Yuan, which is $15K. But suffice to say, your statement that "we are the only one which introduces COE as a mean to control car population or tackle traffic congestion" isn't quite true, unless you wish to contest that a license plate is different from a COE, then that's just quibbling.

    License plates for automobiles in Shanghai can cost as much the cars they are intended to adorn. - China Real Time Report - WSJ
    First of all, when did Shanghai or Beijing implement such a system? Same time as Singapore? If not, then Singapore is the first in the world which started this system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Kahuna View Post
    It's crazy but do you have a better solution?
    If you paid me million dollars salary, then I can propose solutiuon(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanzohattori View Post
    Well.. we're willing to pay dearly for our own demise
    I think Singaporeans need a lil bit of perspective. Try to live in cities like Jakarta or Delhi for a year..
    after that, then we can complain about owning cars and the public transport.
    Or we could live in Switzerland. Their ministers are not paid as much but the living standards are higher...hmm...
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