Nikon D70 Digital SLR vs Konica Minolta Dynax 7D

[Zeckson Chow]

Dear people,

Any comments on these 2 cameras when put on the table to compare in terms of performance and price?

[snowspeeder]

These 2 cameras do not really belong in the same class. Price is quite different. Performance wise -- depends on who uses it. But both are great cams.

[Zeckson Chow]

Dear SnowSpeeder,

Thank you for your reply. When you said these 2 cameras do not belong to the same class, what are their differences har?

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

its like asking me & snowspeeder whose camera is better... hehehe...

of course we will say that ours (respectively) is better...

just as a comparsion... forget about the CCD & the interface (technically both uses the same CCD from Sony... except KM can go lower to iso100 & D70 is minimum iso200)

Nikon D70 is about 1/2 the price of the KM D7D
N use plastic, KM use metal*?
N have no vertical grip, KM have (quite an important factor for some...)
N use lens gyro for vibration reduction, KM use CCD motion compensation hence all lens is anti-shake already)
N have variety of lens in 1st & 2nd hand market... KM hard 2 get lens even if 1st hand from shop, have to wait for lens... & variety is limited.

both have its other pros & cons... like the flash system & uses... like D70 does not have a PC sync terminal on body, hence need to use a hotshoe mounted 1, whereas D7D have, but due to the special hotshoe terminal KM uses, the usage of other iso hotshoe is incapable, like using a spirit level on hotshoe can't be mounted on the KM.

another aspect would be the viewfinder... *personally* i find the D70 viewfinder very small, hard to focus... the D7D have a bigger viewfinder view...

anyway, if u are new to DSLR, and starting from scratch, den getting either system is quite dependent on your budget & your plan for long term commitment, its quite a big loss if u change systems, lens/body/accessories u buy today is not going to be the same price as you sell tomorrow, depreciation is high...

[snowspeeder]

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt its like asking me & snowspeeder whose camera is better... hehehe... of course we will say that ours (respectively) is better...

I beg to differ. I'm better known amongst frens for my objectivity than emotional biasesness, on most matters in life. It's a 'burden' at times I wished to be lacking.

My advice to new DSLR users is not to place too much emphasis on the equipment and specs -- for this has a tenacity to divert one's focus away from the true art of photography and into its scientific/engineering aspects. The equipment will only help little in giving u good pics. Great images come from you as a user. It's all in one's capacity to imagine and to see the uncommon. Cheers.

[reno77]

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt just as a comparsion... forget about the CCD & the interface (technically both uses the same CCD from Sony... except KM can go lower to iso100 & D70 is minimum iso200)

Actually D70 is using the 1st generation sensor and D7D is using the 2nd gen sensor. That's probably why D7D's high ISO shots have less noise than D70's.

[ortega]

You will need to use the cameras to decide for yourself which one you prefer.
All cameras can take pictures.

Look long term and compair systems instead of cameras.

[Zeckson Chow]

Dear people,

Frankly, I really love the Konica Minolta Dynax 7D but it really cost a bomb. I think the price offered to me was like S$3,245 or something close when I enquired it from shops. I don't have that budget. Then I was recommended the Nikon D70 which is the top model in 2004.

So, feeling the urge to get my hands on a DSLR, I bought the Nikon D70. I am comtemplating on the lenses and accessories. They don't come cheap either. I love taking close up shots of subjects. Even for portrait photos, I use a tight cropping too.

But I am still learning. I am loving this hobby much deeper by the day. One thing that really impresses me is that Konica Minolta Dynax 7D has an Anit-Shake system that reduces the level of camera shake. This is very important when taking shots from far. But Nikon has so many impressive lenses... Argh!

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

tats fast... bought a camera within 2 hours...

[ortega]

he already bought it quite some time back.

Anti-Shake? learn to hold your camera or Get a monopod,
and if that does not work, get a tripod.

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Originally Posted by ortega he already bought it quite some time back. Anti-Shake? learn to hold your camera or Get a monopod, and if that does not work, get a tripod.

den strange liao... y ask this qn until now?

[blurblock]

Try to create frame war or just to pacify himself, wanting Nikon people to say how good is Nikon D70.

Anyway, both are good cameras to a certain extent.

[Zeckson Chow]

Because I am comptemplating on the accessories mah. Accesories like speedlight and lenses may end up costing more than the body itself mah. If under long term use, if Konica Minolta is really good, I'll sell my Nikon and get Konica Minolta lor.

But now that I have seen so many Nikkor lenses... Wow, really impressive. So really need to ask you pro people on these 2 cameras lor.

[blurblock]

Originally Posted by Zeckson Chow Because I am comptemplating on the accessories mah. Accesories like speedlight and lenses may end up costing more than the body itself mah. If under long term use, if Konica Minolta is really good, I'll sell my Nikon and get Konica Minolta lor. But now that I have seen so many Nikkor lenses... Wow, really impressive. So really need to ask you pro people on these 2 cameras lor.

a. So many lenses also useless, chances are you will only use some. So what lenses Nikon has but lacking in Minolta?

b. No point selling your Nikon, if you get it already, just use it, unless it is really inadequate. I did not see anything inadequate about Nikon D70 though.... unless you are into sport photography.

c. The anti-shake feature are good, but most of the time not used. Getting your photography basics right, and 90% of the time you shoot without Anti-Shake feature.

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

KM flash is not exactly cheap either, the lens is also not cheap... take instance, the KM 70-200 SSM (something like Canon's USM) den G lens, no need for vibration reduction since its on body, yet cost alot more than those Canon & Nikon equivalent... then the flash is not cheap either... the high end 5600HS is about 550 - 600 per piece... think about it... and you have to live with a smaller range of lens...

[blurblock]

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt KM flash is not exactly cheap either, the lens is also not cheap... take instance, the KM 70-200 SSM (something like Canon's USM) den G lens, no need for vibration reduction since its on body, yet cost alot more than those Canon & Nikon equivalent... then the flash is not cheap either... the high end 5600HS is about 550 - 600 per piece... think about it... and you have to live with a smaller range of lens...

a. You would not need SSM when you have Anti-shake feature inside 7D
b. At 550, the 5600HS is still cheaper then it's Nikon / Canon counterpart, SB800 and 580EX.
c. So what lens does Nikon and Canon has but lacking in Minolta? I still did not get to figure this out yet.......

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Originally Posted by blurblock a. You would not need SSM when you have Anti-shake feature inside 7D b. At 550, the 5600HS is still cheaper then it's Nikon / Canon counterpart, SB800 and 580EX. c. So what lens does Nikon and Canon has but lacking in Minolta? I still did not get to figure this out yet.......

a) thought SSM is more for focussing than the anti-shake?

b) i mean, high end flash is not exactly cheap either, meaning, all, nikon, minolta, canon is not cheap...

c) Minolta still lacks of the 10-22 area, the fisheyes, the long zooms, and the price for minolta lens is much higher than the other brands same specs... and worse is there is always no stock for minolta lens.

[blurblock]

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt a) thought SSM is more for focussing than the anti-shake? b) i mean, high end flash is not exactly cheap either, meaning, all, nikon, minolta, canon is not cheap... c) Minolta still lacks of the 10-22 area, the fisheyes, the long zooms, and the price for minolta lens is much higher than the other brands same specs... and worse is there is always no stock for minolta lens.

SSM is for the motor, but then the body can focus very well, thus the motor is secondary.

Those that a lacking can be subsituted with third party lenses. Minolta has also quite a few long zooms too. The price of minolta lens is somewhat cheaper then Canon or Nikon counterpart, actually, the reason why it is expensive in Singapore because it is of high demand and low supply. For the same lens, on USA, it is cheaper.

No stock because no one keep stock, not exactly no stock.

[ortega]

Originally Posted by blurblock SSM is for the motor, but then the body can focus very well, thus the motor is secondary. Those that a lacking can be subsituted with third party lenses. Minolta has also quite a few long zooms too. The price of minolta lens is somewhat cheaper then Canon or Nikon counterpart, actually, the reason why it is expensive in Singapore because it is of high demand and low supply. For the same lens, on USA, it is cheaper. No stock because no one keep stock, not exactly no stock.

Aiyah, pros and cons in Spore. World wide is a different story.
No stock or not exactly no stock also cannot buy.
What is the difference.

BTW the KM is a good camera. Just that to buy accessories must source world wide. I think some 3rd party lenses do not have a KM mount.

Just like apple some software not made for the macintosh platform.

[Zeckson Chow]

Dear people,

Woh woh woh... Hey, take it easy guys... No harsh words... No hard feelings...

I am merely asking for opinions and definitely would not want the good people here to start a "fight" over the equipment. I am very new to all these and most of the time, I do not understand what are the terms and jargons used, especially the numbers, which looks like some military code or something...

Well, maybe you are correct. It is the person and never the equipment. If I get my basic right, any camera will be able to take any good shots. I was thinking whether should I save up and invest on Konica Minolta or continue with Nikon. Right now, since I have got a good DSLR, I guess I will stick to what I have and be complacent about it.

Then I can start thinking of saving up to get the accessories. I guess I may need a speedflash, a good macro lens and a good solid telezoom lens. With these, with the correct techniques applied, I can have good pictures.