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    I don't think there was any need to tick you off unless you were doing silly things like throwing stones at the bird or making loud noises. We Singaporean photographers have to be more considerate of other people around us. Life is not just about photography and anyone else has a right to interact with your subject unless it happens to be something you paid for (e.g. XMM model shoot, if an uncle starts chatting to the model I'm sure all the people in the shoot would be irked and justifiably so). Often when I shoot cats, and passer-bys start stroking and playing with the cat as well, I don't mind. I'm happy when I see people enjoying the company of these beautiful creatures.

    For all of the indignation that we see expressed online about photographers and other photographers (e.g. ladder gang la, this guy keep doing silly things that affects my shooting), I think we should all always try to be aware about our surroundings and how we affect other people around us. Maybe I am overgeneralizing but I've often encountered people, when shooting landscapes, that just walk into your frame without any consideration. I could probably be a little more forgiving if these were non photographers - but there he is, toting a camera with a UWA, knowing that you are probably using a UWA (at places like Punggol), and happily waltzing into your frame as a unwanted model. I usually ask the other person shooting in the direction where I'd be positioned if it's ok if I am in that spot for a while. If they say that I would be in their frame, I move to another place. Similarly, when I am shooting from a good vantage point full of tourists, and people want a shot next to the landmark (e.g. Merlion), I'd be more than happy to finish up my shot quickly and move aside.

    There seems to be an unwritten mentality that all that matters is the photograph. Well, especially when you are shooting a common subject... You can always do it again another day. There's no need to get so worked up about one's hobby.. Otherwise you might as well find another one. A hobby is to relieve stress, not to add to it. So let's all enjoy the hobby (if you are indeed hobbyists), and be more gracious to one another. Cheers!
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    This bird not going anywhere

    宁愿遇见丢失幼崽的母熊,也不愿碰上做蠢事的愚人

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    Default Re: Do birders own the spot once they see a bird?

    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    A hobby is to relieve stress, not to add to it.
    Shoot cats not birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundamseed84 View Post
    the funny thing is if he hasn't wave to me i would have not notice anything and continued my stroll and walked away. He said by walking slowly along the pavement i would scare the bird away yet he thinks by talking loudly to me 15m away he would not scare it away.
    so is the bird 15m away from the person as in your original post, or are you 15m away from the shooter.

    methinks that you're the bird 15m away that saw the whole incident

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    Don't know about you man, but if you look through some of the old threads here regarding nasty people in birding, there are apparently a few famous people around you should look out for when you go birding just in case. It's like a safety issue now or something. Hahaha.

    Good luck bro! Just be nice and stay out of the way...
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    There'll always be another bird.
    There's a lot of birds in lorong 18!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gundamseed84 View Post
    the funny thing is if he hasn't wave to me i would have not notice anything and continued my stroll and walked away. He said by walking slowly along the pavement i would scare the bird away yet he thinks by talking loudly to me 15m away he would not scare it away.
    You have already scare away the bird. That is why he is angry
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatigue View Post
    There's a lot of birds in lorong 18!
    The type of birds that don't fly when you approach with a long lens?

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    eh the bird was still there when i left lol...... the bird was by the pond then the photographer was in front of the pond behind the photographer there is this pavement for ppl to walk or jog i was walking along the pavement...

    beautiful girl maybe worse because i will walk over and say 'share share leh' haha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonrya View Post
    Don't know about you man, but if you look through some of the old threads here regarding nasty people in birding, there are apparently a few famous people around you should look out for when you go birding just in case. It's like a safety issue now or something. Hahaha.

    Good luck bro! Just be nice and stay out of the way...
    Wah..... I think if I ever go trying briding... I need to learn some karate, and bring a monopod along!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon

    Wah..... I think if I ever go trying briding... I need to learn some karate, and bring a monopod along!!!!
    The best thing you should do when faced with someone like that head on, avoidance is key. And back away slowly until out of their vision, then run. And never look back.

    Do not engage them directly or face inevitable and horrible death.
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    Default Re: Do birders own the spot once they see a bird?

    Quote Originally Posted by bonrya View Post
    The best thing you should do when faced with someone like that head on, avoidance is key. And back away slowly until out of their vision, then run. And never look back.

    Do not engage them directly or face inevitable and horrible death.
    Diablo 4??? Real life action game??? lol....
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    Clearly, there are some pricks who take this hobby a little too seriously.

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    why u disturb his spot. i think you should apologize and make it up to him by letting him shoot your bird

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundamseed84 View Post
    I have a photo of his face but i shall not post it (yet) though i am quite angry at such attitude of a bird photographer... makes me feel ashamed as a fellow hobbyist.
    This is one chance you have a good reason to throw a punch at a man's face and you've missed it?

    It feels better than venting in a photo forum.

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    Default Re: Do birders own the spot once they see a bird?

    Quote Originally Posted by G-man View Post
    Clearly, there are some pricks who take this hobby a little too seriously.
    Maybe he tries to perfect his photography into an art?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleveninth View Post
    why u disturb his spot. i think you should apologize and make it up to him by letting him shoot your bird
    my bird only entited for one person to shoot lol..

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    Default Re: Do birders own the spot once they see a bird?

    Quote Originally Posted by gundamseed84 View Post
    my bird only entited for one person to shoot lol..
    That's not true.

    In Lorong 18 many people can shoot the same bird.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    To some photography is a dead and alive mission but not an enjoyment..

    You should count yourself lucky to come out of the incident alive and well.
    ya, in US where you can own a gun, he probably ready to gun you down and take your gear after that.

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    Unable to decide who is right or wrong.
    TS post not clear whether Gundam is in front of the other photographer and nearer to the bird; or Gundam is in behind the other photographer and further from the bird.

    No one owns any spot in public space.

    It may be a matter of manners or good behavior.

    It may be that Gundam is novice to bird shooting and does not understand how to approach birds in the wild i.e. don't scare them off.

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