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    Quote Originally Posted by James Poon View Post
    Try the same indoors or under shade without cranking your iso enough for grains to show on a f4

    My shot was done on low iso in the shade. I'm not too sure if it's achievable with a zoom lens at f4. It maybe possible, just harder
    your shot is underexposed,
    if you increase exposure at post, it will have more noise than shots taken at higher ISO, and also losing shadow details

    just use high ISO and shoot with correct exposure, the noise it is so much easier to take care than underexposed images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    your shot is underexposed,
    if you increase exposure at post, it will have more noise than shots taken at higher ISO, and also losing shadow details

    just use high ISO and shoot with correct exposure, the noise it is so much easier to take care than underexposed images.
    Technically its not underexpose. Raw file is overexposed in white areas and nothing created black blinkies so.... It was me that made it like that intentionally. Personal preference

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    The flash was extremely harsh thou. Diffused or not.
    Too strong its a little uncomfortable in my opinion but i maybe wrong (a little too much detail lighted up, like peeling skin in a rather unpleasant manner)

    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    My last photo was done indoor... No need to crank up your ISO, use a flash.
    Last edited by James Poon; 15th November 2012 at 08:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecrayfish View Post
    hi all,

    I have done some research prior to posting here.
    on lens for portrait photography. couple or family photography and also other general usage.

    some sources recommended me tamron/nikon/sigma 70-200 f2.8.
    on the other hand, some suggested 50 f.14d/ f1.8 d is much better.

    I know max aperture, produces nicer bokeh.
    But i am rather mixed up with the part that says:

    70-200 f2.8 produced better subject isolation at focal length above 120mm.
    vs 50 f1.4D/F1.8D

    so does that mean, i have to go for lens with abv 100mm and f2.8 for outdoot portrait photography (for couple or family)??

    Hope someone could help me with my doubts. i am using nikon d300 body.
    Thanks alot guys!.
    have a great day.!
    Hi TS, if you are shooting 1-2 person etc, 50mm f1.8 or 70-200mm f2.8 (or 80-200mm f2.8) will be good. I am using the old nikon 80-200mm f2.8 for subject isolation and i find the bokeh creamy nice...tried that on group photo and i had to stand like 30meters away to get the group in...most aptly use for couple, single person portrait i feel...

    Usually for group photos, stopping down would be common...so i just find some undistracting background with a wide-enough lens...that's all...
    I have tried portrait with my birding gears 400mm f3.5+TC16A, the background is even nicer! haha...but com'on....i got to go real far just to get the shoulder and head in frame...

    Sorry i don't think it's nice to post photos of friends without their consent, so pls make do with these examples...


    Subject isolation at 200mm f3.2


    Pls imagine what this could translate to a human portrait... haha...
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Poon View Post
    The flash was extremely harsh thou. Diffused or not.
    Too strong its a little uncomfortable in my opinion but i maybe wrong (a little too much detail lighted up, like peeling skin in a rather unpleasant manner)
    Well... I am not really good with flash yet and that is just an example of what you can do. Of course there are other ways to do flash, mine is one of them (actually, I find mine pretty alright, nothing a little PS later on won't help), there are people who had done it very well no need to do PS like my one... I will not show case their photos here, it is all over the net.

    What we are trying to say is that, 70-200mm f2.8 is capable enough for portrait work, heck... even my f4 is good enough. There really is no need for tripod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Poon View Post
    go prime for portraits...


    The blind busker by JuzeJames, on Flickr

    Taken with D7000, 50mm F1.8 lens... I think its reasonably decent.
    nice shots..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    I don't see a problem here.



    I did the above at 100mm (160mm taking into consideration of 1.6x crop factor for Canon) and I am using a 100mm macro lens without IS... and no I didn't use tripod at all.



    I shot this at 70mm (112mm with crop factor), and yes, this is with a lens that have OS and no I didn't use tripod too.



    I shot the above at 200mm (320mm with crop factor) and this is with the 70-200mm f4L, and no I didn't use tripod at all too.

    Oh... and for 70-200mm including of crop factor (for Nikon, it is x1.5) so the lens is effectively, 105 x 300mm and not 140x300mm.

    I am not saying that my shots was anywhere as good as anyone in CS. It is just that even with me, I could take these shots in the range of 70-200mm and with a crop camera, imagine what the pro could do.
    i like the 1st shot. =)
    was it from canon 7D?
    sorry i am not a canon user though.


    In general i am just wondering...
    Are those using D300, d300s, those dslr of semi-pro range, gonna be pushed down by the new edition amateur dslr?
    eg. i heard d5200 is gonna be out with 60i/50i full hd recording and its higher MP. 24MP.
    and on the other hand D600 (full frame).

    No offense, but i just feel worried about it, as i am one of those whom are onto D300 series..
    or does that mean d300 users have just got to move on to D800..sadly its expensive.
    hmmm.

    anyone has any views to share with?

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    buy both.

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    wow, thank you all for sharing your photos and information.
    I greatly appreciate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Hi TS, if you are shooting 1-2 person etc, 50mm f1.8 or 70-200mm f2.8 (or 80-200mm f2.8) will be good. I am using the old nikon 80-200mm f2.8 for subject isolation and i find the bokeh creamy nice...tried that on group photo and i had to stand like 30meters away to get the group in...most aptly use for couple, single person portrait i feel...

    Usually for group photos, stopping down would be common...so i just find some undistracting background with a wide-enough lens...that's all...
    I have tried portrait with my birding gears 400mm f3.5+TC16A, the background is even nicer! haha...but com'on....i got to go real far just to get the shoulder and head in frame...

    Sorry i don't think it's nice to post photos of friends without their consent, so pls make do with these examples...


    Subject isolation at 200mm f3.2


    Pls imagine what this could translate to a human portrait... haha...

    Thanks,
    the photos are nice!.
    Which body did you use?


    I do agree with catchlights too that, if 70-200 not a good choice for group shots,
    But looks nice for individual or couple.

    Yup, i have also seen pro-photog using 70-200 f2.8 on their full frame camera, which is why i started to wonder between 70-200 f2.8 and those 1.4, 1.8 series.
    hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Square View Post
    i like the 1st shot. =)
    was it from canon 7D?
    sorry i am not a canon user though.


    In general i am just wondering...
    Are those using D300, d300s, those dslr of semi-pro range, gonna be pushed down by the new edition amateur dslr?
    eg. i heard d5200 is gonna be out with 60i/50i full hd recording and its higher MP. 24MP.
    and on the other hand D600 (full frame).

    No offense, but i just feel worried about it, as i am one of those whom are onto D300 series..
    or does that mean d300 users have just got to move on to D800..sadly its expensive.
    hmmm.

    anyone has any views to share with?
    First off... that is OT. You can always start another thread to talk about your fear.

    Second... I have seen professional photographer still using the very very old 300D and 10D and produce photos that are incredible. And I see professional photographers using D200, D90 and the such. Didn't hear them complain that their camera is not good.

    5 years ago, those cameras could produce incredible pics, I don't know why after newer cameras came out they stop doing that. So what is there to worry about?

    But it is a logical sense that crop sensor camera user hoped and had moved up to full frame camera, some even go to medium format. If you think that route suits you well, then by all means go ahead.

    I have been using my 7D for more than a year now, when I just bought it, the 60D was already out, there are reviews that said that 60D's sensor fare a bit better when compared to 7D, while the new 650D sensor fare abit better than 60D, does that bother me? No. I have fun with my 7D and I think it is a marvellous camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Poon View Post
    Try the same indoors or under shade without cranking your iso enough for grains to show on a f4

    My shot was done on low iso in the shade. I'm not too sure if it's achievable with a zoom lens at f4. It maybe possible, just harder
    What is wrong with cranking up iso?

    Shot with a zoom at ISO6400

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecrayfish View Post
    Thanks,
    the photos are nice!.
    Which body did you use?


    I do agree with catchlights too that, if 70-200 not a good choice for group shots,
    But looks nice for individual or couple.

    Yup, i have also seen pro-photog using 70-200 f2.8 on their full frame camera, which is why i started to wonder between 70-200 f2.8 and those 1.4, 1.8 series.
    hmm.
    The thing that 70-200 gives you is not just subject isolation, but also compression.

    Bokeh is not everything, you also need to think about other things as well, like how big or small do you want the background to be. And different focal lengths allow you to do that. That is why pros do not only use 70-200. They also own other lenses like a standard zoom and UWA.

    35mm F2.8


    120mm F2.8


    200mm F2.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123
    Bokeh is not everything, you also need to think about other things as well, like how big or small do you want the background to be
    Well that's part of what bokeh really is... :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Well that's part of what bokeh really is... :-)
    ah.. right. Let me re-phrase that... BLUR is not everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecrayfish

    Thanks,
    the photos are nice!.
    Which body did you use?

    I do agree with catchlights too that, if 70-200 not a good choice for group shots,
    But looks nice for individual or couple.

    Yup, i have also seen pro-photog using 70-200 f2.8 on their full frame camera, which is why i started to wonder between 70-200 f2.8 and those 1.4, 1.8 series.
    hmm.
    Those was shot on d90 I think.. I'm using d7000 though. But body wise do not make much diff, the lens did.. I seldom find 50mm useful to me coz the 80-200mm f2.8 could do the job better.

    Anyway I think bro DD123 already showed some very good examples of 70-200 usage. At the same time, 70-200 can replace slower zoom like 55-200mm or 70-300mm if you have any..
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    OK guys lets keep the super OT to a minimum here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovaltinemilo View Post
    Those was shot on d90 I think.. I'm using d7000 though. But body wise do not make much diff, the lens did.. I seldom find 50mm useful to me coz the 80-200mm f2.8 could do the job better.

    Anyway I think bro DD123 already showed some very good examples of 70-200 usage. At the same time, 70-200 can replace slower zoom like 55-200mm or 70-300mm if you have any..

    Thanks.
    urs is a Nikon 70-200/ 80-200 mmf2.8 I guess.
    But now it seems that there sigma and tamron 70-200 f2.8 too.which are cheaper.
    Hmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecrayfish

    Thanks.
    urs is a Nikon 70-200/ 80-200 mmf2.8 I guess.
    But now it seems that there sigma and tamron 70-200 f2.8 too.which are cheaper.
    Hmm.
    Look at the priceguides or call a shop or do a search. Then you can stop wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecrayfish View Post
    Thanks.
    urs is a Nikon 70-200/ 80-200 mmf2.8 I guess.
    But now it seems that there sigma and tamron 70-200 f2.8 too.which are cheaper.
    Hmm.
    Buy the best and forget the rest.

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