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    Hi,

    I need advice on how to bring out the makeup colours on the model's face when shooting portrait. Currently I have 2 flash units (ETTL2) which can sync remotely and would like to know the best way to place these flashes to create the effect. I have tried to create a soft look by bouncing these flashes but somehow the colour still don't stand out. Does taking raw help?

    Thks,
    Thomas

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasD
    Hi,

    I need advice on how to bring out the makeup colours on the model's face when shooting portrait. Currently I have 2 flash units (ETTL2) which can sync remotely and would like to know the best way to place these flashes to create the effect. I have tried to create a soft look by bouncing these flashes but somehow the colour still don't stand out. Does taking raw help?

    Thks,
    Thomas
    Flashlight will diffuse the colour, use long exposure .

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    Get a makeup artist to help

    Makeup for photoshoot is very different from daily wear.

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    Thks! I am actually helping my wife in her thesis, she's doing her diploma in makeup. Using natural light create shadows even when using reflector, that why I decided to use flash as can be seen from most magazine. Guess have to ask her to touch up more on faint area...

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    ok 1st of all pressume you using 2x 580EX. 2ndly, it all direct flashing? 3rdly, what the setup you did?

    Maybe start off from there and move on to how to better improve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasD
    Hi,

    I need advice on how to bring out the makeup colours on the model's face when shooting portrait. Currently I have 2 flash units (ETTL2) which can sync remotely and would like to know the best way to place these flashes to create the effect. I have tried to create a soft look by bouncing these flashes but somehow the colour still don't stand out. Does taking raw help?

    Thks,
    Thomas
    Yes, make up for photography is different from what we normally see, but is this lighting looks fine with you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasD
    Hi,

    I need advice on how to bring out the makeup colours on the model's face when shooting portrait. Currently I have 2 flash units (ETTL2) which can sync remotely and would like to know the best way to place these flashes to create the effect. I have tried to create a soft look by bouncing these flashes but somehow the colour still don't stand out. Does taking raw help?

    Thks,
    Thomas

    Hi Bro...


    Ortega is spot on when he mentioned that makeup for photo shoot is difference from your normal everyday makeup you see ladies do for themselves or get someone to do for them.

    It as to do with the way film capture certain shades or subtle shades of colours...etc

    Not only is lighting from your flash important but the makeup plays just as important a role. A photographic makeup artist is specially trained to understand how colours and shades will work whether it be indoor or outdoor shoot for example.

    And if you get deeper into it, you will find that it takes even more finess to do makeup for a black and white shoot. LIghting must work hand in hand with someone good at photgraphic makeup too to effect a well balance shot.

    Thus you really need to get some input from someone who does makeup for photo shoot to get a better understanding on the use of colours (sometime exaggerated use of colours) and touch up. Because in some instances, what the lighting could not do to solve an image problem, the makeup artist might be your only solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888
    Hi Bro...


    Ortega is spot on when he mentioned that makeup for photo shoot is difference from your normal everyday makeup you see ladies do for themselves or get someone to do for them.

    It as to do with the way film capture certain shades or subtle shades of colours...etc

    Not only is lighting from your flash important but the makeup plays just as important a role. A photographic makeup artist is specially trained to understand how colours and shades will work whether it be indoor or outdoor shoot for example.

    And if you get deeper into it, you will find that it takes even more finess to do makeup for a black and white shoot. LIghting must work hand in hand with someone good at photgraphic makeup too to effect a well balance shot.

    Thus you really need to get some input from someone who does makeup for photo shoot to get a better understanding on the use of colours (sometime exaggerated use of colours) and touch up. Because in some instances, what the lighting could not do to solve an image problem, the makeup artist might be your only solution.
    Thanks Sammy,

    I understand from my wife that the makeup for photography is different from that of a normal daily makeup and maybe like you said they are just not exaggerated enough when I shot them. I need to take 10 different looks from 10 different types of makeup, that's why to be able to differentiate them is important, else they will all be looking the same if the colour doesn't stand out. I am still working on it with my wife of course, who will be completing her makeup course soon. Thks for all your input, once done I will post some pics for comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasD
    Thanks Sammy,

    I understand from my wife that the makeup for photography is different from that of a normal daily makeup and maybe like you said they are just not exaggerated enough when I shot them. I need to take 10 different looks from 10 different types of makeup, that's why to be able to differentiate them is important, else they will all be looking the same if the colour doesn't stand out. I am still working on it with my wife of course, who will be completing her makeup course soon. Thks for all your input, once done I will post some pics for comment
    Well...happy experimenting When I was doing fashion shot (not me, i hired a photographer and makeup artist to do it while I style the shoot) We usually have to do test shots and then let the makeup artist look over the shot to see what needs to be done. The type of lighting used and light temperature also plays a part as to what kind of colour shade would need to be use to get the right effect and at the same time compliment the dress(es) or accessories. Then when we move from indoor to outdoor, we have to again retest and redo the makeup to suit the daylight. Not a perfect science but as you and the makeup artist gets more experienced, it starts to become almost second nature. Having your wife being able to do the makeup for you once she is finish with her course would be a great help. I have yet to know of a good photographer who can do good make up too hahaha....So leave that to your wife but for now help her to get her technique right while you try to figure out the flash thingy too.

    Actually what I find great going for you is to have a wife who can in some way share your photographic interest indirectly heh. Even complimenting each other.

    Do show us some of your test shots when you are finish with them

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    Ok, here are a few shots taken, comments appreciated








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    looks pretty ok....lighting's even abiet harsh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness
    looks pretty ok....lighting's even abiet harsh...
    I have step up the FEC by 1/3, no direct flash, use bounce + bounce card. Yet to achieve the effect I want..

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    reflector below and on both sides for head shots, control your shadows
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