Zeiss Lens on EOS - Page 6

weekh · 25th March 2005

The is taken by Canon:

And this is taken by Zeiss:

But images were taken without any filters.

weekh · 25th March 2005

Had so many new lenses recently that I just don't know which lens to try. So finally I mounted and glued the Zeiss 50mm to my camera today to really run through it.

Well, as I've mentioned earlier, the don't find the Zeiss 50mm impressive compared to the Canon. 50mm is a very simple focal length to make and most brands have very good 50mm lenses in their lineup. But once u go below the 50mm standard focal length to the wide angle department, this is where the Zeiss really stands out distinctively over the Canon. The Zeiss 28mm and 21mm simply beat Canon without sweat. I won't even be bothered to run comparison tests between them at these focal length!

Rurouni · 25th March 2005

Originally Posted by weekh

The is taken by Canon:

And this is taken by Zeiss:

But images were taken without any filters.

heh seems like we all guessed opposite!

Post a couple more blind tests weekh, then we can all make up our minds about which lens we like w/o having the 'branding' affecting our decision!

Parchiao · 26th March 2005

Originally Posted by Rurouni

heh seems like we all guessed opposite! Post a couple more blind tests weekh, then we can all make up our minds about which lens we like w/o having the 'branding' affecting our decision!

ricohflex · 26th March 2005

bjorke

Maybe the dim view

in budget digislr is from cost cutting by the manufacturer. By the way this is also done for some budget film slrs.
The dim view is caused by a small set of mirrors. Instead of a proper pentaprism, you get a set of mirrors to reflect the image. The mirrors are no match for a pentaprism.
But in top end digi slrs and film slrs, they still use a proper pentaprism.
These are usually the top end ones that do not incorporate a pop up flash on the body.

limhousen · 26th March 2005

Hey Kenghor, irregardless of which lens was used, I think you have real talent in capturing the moment.

Care to share your technique in taking pictures of your kids? I guess your kids must be very used to you lurking around behind a camera

weekh · 26th March 2005

Originally Posted by limhousen

Hey Kenghor, irregardless of which lens was used, I think you have real talent in capturing the moment.

Care to share your technique in taking pictures of your kids? I guess your kids must be very used to you lurking around behind a camera

Thank you thank you.....
never know so many of u find my family shots interesting...

these kids really almost take away all the time i have... no time for other subjects so gotto aim the camera at them.. anytime anywhere...

but not easy lah.. cos they won't take your command to pose...

bjorke · 26th March 2005

Originally Posted by ricohflex

bjorke

Maybe the dim view in budget digislr is from cost cutting by the manufacturer.

Oh, definitely. I'm more concerned about size than brightness though (and full-framedness)

Canon haven't put split-prism screens in their cameras in age, if the AF is good the designers ask why you would need it? They are right in their way, but only through their own arrogance at thinking that the AF will focus on what *I* want

Ah well. New cameras are good for what they are, would you want to add another 500SGD for a manual-focus-friendly VF when you've already paid for AF?

(Spoiled by a nice big 6x6 screen?)

ricohflex · 26th March 2005

bjorke

For me, pentaprism and optical viewfinder is a must.
Canon SLRs do not have the brightest viewfinder. But passable.
The brightest are : Hasselbald, Minolta (acutematte screens), Leica R.

LCD screen as viewfinder (EVF) inside the camera is no fun to me.
LCD screen as viewfinder outside the camera is OK for times I need to use it, say in overhead shots.
I don't think it will cost Sing$500 more to provide simple pentaprism.
Maybe only $50 more but as I said elsewhere, for entry level digislrs, buyers are price sensitive. So Canon cut costs to bare bones to compete.
Whole idea is to bring newbies into the Canon system.
For top guns like 1Ds MkII, I don't think pros will tolerate dim viewfinders or worse, EVF inside the camera, at the price they pay.

litefoot · 26th March 2005

Originally Posted by weekh

The Zeiss 28mm and 21mm simply beat Canon without sweat.

The Zeiss 28mm beats most makes without sweat. EF and Nikkor don't even come close.

pokiemon · 26th March 2005

why doesn't sigma use cz to make their lens? this way they can target the high level end users.

Xpose · 26th March 2005

Originally Posted by pokiemon

why doesn't sigma use cz to make their lens? this way they can target the high level end users.

Simply because sigma don't own the licence to make cz product but of course they can also do it the sony way but the cost of the len then might be too ex for the market in which sigma is targeting at.

weekh · 26th March 2005

Piang! My wife brought my son to a new barber and he ended up like this:

My daughter was laughing away and said she won't wanna go to the hairdresser.

Enjoyed using the CZ 50 even though it lacks the automation. Reminds me of the days when I was using the rangefinder. Can't wait to receive my split focusing screen for more precise focusing.

And also can't wait for a full frame cam to be as light and small like the 350D !!!

pokiemon · 27th March 2005

kh - after i get my adapter and cz lens, u gotta show me how u take such sharp pictures (pic of son after barber)! was that pic taken with flash?

Red Dawn · 27th March 2005

Originally Posted by ricohflex

bjorke

For me, pentaprism and optical viewfinder is a must.
Canon SLRs do not have the brightest viewfinder. But passable.
The brightest are : Hasselbald, Minolta (acutematte screens), Leica R.

Hi ricohflex,

i was reading this thread the other day on the Leica list - pple were giving the Pentax DSLRs ( specifically the *istD i think) for having a bright viewfinder, as bright as what a R8 / R9 will give! u might wanna check it out

the pentax DSLRs supposedly all have real pentaprisms coupled with bright viewfinders....

weekh · 27th March 2005

Originally Posted by pokiemon

kh - after i get my adapter and cz lens, u gotta show me how u take such sharp pictures (pic of son after barber)! was that pic taken with flash?

This is the famous 'glow' that one read about on pictures taken with Leica lenses!!!

Aiya... very simply lah.. just fire the flash behind your subject lor...

weekh · 27th March 2005

CZ 50 @ f1.4

Was told that the adapter price is going up soon. So for those who wanna try the Zeiss lenses, better hurry!

And to answer some of the common questions that I receive, u can only use the Zeiss Contax/Yashica SLR manual lenses with the adapter. Contax G lenses cannot be used!!!

- 28mm f2.8 is about $300 - $400 and is one of the best investment u can have on Zeiss.

- 50mm f1.7 is the cheapest! About $70-$80 from Ebay!!! And it is rated better than the f1.4!

- 50mm f1.4 is about as good as the Canon 50mm f1.4

- 85 f1.4 not as sharp as the Canon but many people find portraits taken with it looks fantastic.

- 21mm f2.8 highly sought after lens!!!! Grab it if u can find one!

- 28-85mm very good focal range and is better than the EF 24-70L and cheaper!!!

- 35-70mm smaller and users find it better than the 28-85mm. Of course much better than the 24-70L lor.

weekh · 29th March 2005

Any of u got any experience or comment on the CZ 18mm f4? How does it compare to the EF 17-40 / EF 16-35 L ?

Canont · 29th March 2005

Originally Posted by weekh

CZ 50 @ f1.4

Was told that the adapter price is going up soon. So for those who wanna try the Zeiss lenses, better hurry!

And to answer some of the common questions that I receive, u can only use the Zeiss Contax/Yashica SLR manual lenses with the adapter. Contax G lenses cannot be used!!!

- 28mm f2.8 is about $300 - $400 and is one of the best investment u can have on Zeiss.

- 50mm f1.7 is the cheapest! About $70-$80 from Ebay!!! And it is rated better than the f1.4!

- 50mm f1.4 is about as good as the Canon 50mm f1.4

- 85 f1.4 not as sharp as the Canon but many people find portraits taken with it looks fantastic.

- 21mm f2.8 highly sought after lens!!!! Grab it if u can find one!

- 28-85mm very good focal range and is better than the EF 24-70L and cheaper!!!

- 35-70mm smaller and users find it better than the 28-85mm. Of course much better than the 24-70L lor.

Thank you for sharing

leef · 29th March 2005

And to answer some of the common questions that I receive, u can only use the Zeiss Contax/Yashica SLR manual lenses with the adapter. Contax G lenses cannot be used!!!

- 28mm f2.8 is about $300 - $400 and is one of the best investment u can have on Zeiss.

-- 28-85mm very good focal range and is better than the EF 24-70L and cheaper!!!

- 35-70mm smaller and users find it better than the 28-85mm. Of course much better than the 24-70L lor.[/quote]

HI Wee
Absolutely does G 28/2.8,45/2,90/2.8 better than any contax Zeiss SLR manual or N AF lens??

And how about N series 24-85mm/3.5-4.5?better or worse than MM 28-85/3.3-4??
Thanks

25th March 2005	#101
weekh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,464	The Answer The is taken by Canon: And this is taken by Zeiss: But images were taken without any filters.

26th March 2005	#105
ricohflex Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: sing Posts: 1,561	dim view bjorke Maybe the dim view in budget digislr is from cost cutting by the manufacturer. By the way this is also done for some budget film slrs. The dim view is caused by a small set of mirrors. Instead of a proper pentaprism, you get a set of mirrors to reflect the image. The mirrors are no match for a pentaprism. But in top end digi slrs and film slrs, they still use a proper pentaprism. These are usually the top end ones that do not incorporate a pop up flash on the body.

26th March 2005	#109
ricohflex Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: sing Posts: 1,561	pentaprism and optical viewfinder bjorke For me, pentaprism and optical viewfinder is a must. Canon SLRs do not have the brightest viewfinder. But passable. The brightest are : Hasselbald, Minolta (acutematte screens), Leica R. LCD screen as viewfinder (EVF) inside the camera is no fun to me. LCD screen as viewfinder outside the camera is OK for times I need to use it, say in overhead shots. I don't think it will cost Sing$500 more to provide simple pentaprism. Maybe only $50 more but as I said elsewhere, for entry level digislrs, buyers are price sensitive. So Canon cut costs to bare bones to compete. Whole idea is to bring newbies into the Canon system. For top guns like 1Ds MkII, I don't think pros will tolerate dim viewfinders or worse, EVF inside the camera, at the price they pay.

27th March 2005	#117
weekh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,464	CZ 50 @ f1.4 Was told that the adapter price is going up soon. So for those who wanna try the Zeiss lenses, better hurry! And to answer some of the common questions that I receive, u can only use the Zeiss Contax/Yashica SLR manual lenses with the adapter. Contax G lenses cannot be used!!! - 28mm f2.8 is about $300 - $400 and is one of the best investment u can have on Zeiss. - 50mm f1.7 is the cheapest! About $70-$80 from Ebay!!! And it is rated better than the f1.4! - 50mm f1.4 is about as good as the Canon 50mm f1.4 - 85 f1.4 not as sharp as the Canon but many people find portraits taken with it looks fantastic. - 21mm f2.8 highly sought after lens!!!! Grab it if u can find one! - 28-85mm very good focal range and is better than the EF 24-70L and cheaper!!! - 35-70mm smaller and users find it better than the 28-85mm. Of course much better than the 24-70L lor. Last edited by weekh; 27th March 2005 at 11:25 AM.

25th March 2005	#102
weekh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,464	Had so many new lenses recently that I just don't know which lens to try. So finally I mounted and glued the Zeiss 50mm to my camera today to really run through it. Well, as I've mentioned earlier, the don't find the Zeiss 50mm impressive compared to the Canon. 50mm is a very simple focal length to make and most brands have very good 50mm lenses in their lineup. But once u go below the 50mm standard focal length to the wide angle department, this is where the Zeiss really stands out distinctively over the Canon. The Zeiss 28mm and 21mm simply beat Canon without sweat. I won't even be bothered to run comparison tests between them at these focal length!

26th March 2005	#106
limhousen Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 281	Hey Kenghor, irregardless of which lens was used, I think you have real talent in capturing the moment. Care to share your technique in taking pictures of your kids? I guess your kids must be very used to you lurking around behind a camera

26th March 2005	#111
pokiemon Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,132	why doesn't sigma use cz to make their lens? this way they can target the high level end users.

26th March 2005	#113
weekh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,464	Piang! My wife brought my son to a new barber and he ended up like this: My daughter was laughing away and said she won't wanna go to the hairdresser. Enjoyed using the CZ 50 even though it lacks the automation. Reminds me of the days when I was using the rangefinder. Can't wait to receive my split focusing screen for more precise focusing. And also can't wait for a full frame cam to be as light and small like the 350D !!!

27th March 2005	#114
pokiemon Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,132	kh - after i get my adapter and cz lens, u gotta show me how u take such sharp pictures (pic of son after barber)! was that pic taken with flash?

29th March 2005	#118
weekh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,464	Any of u got any experience or comment on the CZ 18mm f4? How does it compare to the EF 17-40 / EF 16-35 L ?

29th March 2005	#120
leef Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 561	And to answer some of the common questions that I receive, u can only use the Zeiss Contax/Yashica SLR manual lenses with the adapter. Contax G lenses cannot be used!!! - 28mm f2.8 is about $300 - $400 and is one of the best investment u can have on Zeiss. -- 28-85mm very good focal range and is better than the EF 24-70L and cheaper!!! - 35-70mm smaller and users find it better than the 28-85mm. Of course much better than the 24-70L lor.[/quote] HI Wee Absolutely does G 28/2.8,45/2,90/2.8 better than any contax Zeiss SLR manual or N AF lens?? And how about N series 24-85mm/3.5-4.5?better or worse than MM 28-85/3.3-4?? Thanks