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    Quote Originally Posted by taku1a
    The fundamental of the Zone system is the splitting of exposure into 9 zones: Zone 1 is black while Zone 9 is brightest (pure white). Zone 5 or Zone V is the half-way point. Each interval of the Zone corresponds to 1 f-stop. Please note that this is a theoretical framework. It is difficult to produce accurately all the 9 zones via most printing process. You get more accurate representative of the zones from a monitor screen.

    The real zone system includes ways to expose and develop film to achieve print where every area of the photograph is printed at the zone (darkness or brightness) that the photographer intended. The discipline thus covers analysing the scene, lighting, light-metering, darkroom techniques (including chemicals used, time taken, type of paper used for printing), calibrating the entire system, etc., and has lots of reference tables and charts. It takes Ansel Adams more than one book to cover everything he had to say about his Zone system. The Zone System is in fact a very American civil engineering approach to photography.

    It is not necessary to know the Zone system to take good photographs nowadays as many photographer do not have control over the development of their films or negatives. And much more can be achieved by spending time to learn Photoshop instead of the Zone system. So most books on general photography don't bother to mention it.

    Some of the principles of the Zone System are however useful in answering questions like:

    -- why camera suppliers sells 18% grey cards to photoraphers to use for light metering?

    -- is there an objective and repeatable way to describe, and measure exposure?

    -- What are the very basic principles used by your camera to determine the correct exposure for you?

    -- How to do spotmetering?

    If these are indeed the topics covered, then it is more accurate to describe the workshop as "Understanding the concepts of exposure" rather than a Zone System workshop.
    I hope you do not mind me saying this. But your writing shows some fundamental errors.

    Applying the zine system and using PS are totally different animals. Photoshop deals largely with processing of the image after the image is taken, whether digitally, or scanned from analogue sources. Zone system is an entire way to see light (something so fundamental to photo(light)graphy, and how to translate that to the negative and print.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom81
    Zone system? Wats that? Care to explain to me?
    Some thing you need to know

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    Quote Originally Posted by taku1a
    The fundamental of the Zone system is the splitting of exposure into 9 zones: Zone 1 is black while Zone 9 is brightest (pure white). Zone 5 or Zone V is the half-way point. Each interval of the Zone corresponds to 1 f-stop. Please note that this is a theoretical framework. It is difficult to produce accurately all the 9 zones via most printing process. You get more accurate representative of the zones from a monitor screen.

    The real zone system includes ways to expose and develop film to achieve print where every area of the photograph is printed at the zone (darkness or brightness) that the photographer intended. The discipline thus covers analysing the scene, lighting, light-metering, darkroom techniques (including chemicals used, time taken, type of paper used for printing), calibrating the entire system, etc., and has lots of reference tables and charts. It takes Ansel Adams more than one book to cover everything he had to say about his Zone system. The Zone System is in fact a very American civil engineering approach to photography.

    It is not necessary to know the Zone system to take good photographs nowadays as many photographer do not have control over the development of their films or negatives. And much more can be achieved by spending time to learn Photoshop instead of the Zone system. So most books on general photography don't bother to mention it.

    Some of the principles of the Zone System are however useful in answering questions like:

    -- why camera suppliers sells 18% grey cards to photoraphers to use for light metering?

    -- is there an objective and repeatable way to describe, and measure exposure?

    -- What are the very basic principles used by your camera to determine the correct exposure for you?

    -- How to do spotmetering?

    If these are indeed the topics covered, then it is more accurate to describe the workshop as "Understanding the concepts of exposure" rather than a Zone System workshop.
    I agree with student. You seem to miss out a few important point. Largely zone system look like a exposure method for doing picture. That for people who have not gone in depth. Zone system is more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom81
    I shooting digital. Only have A85. Can I come?
    Why not. I planing to show digital photography have alot of thing in common with zone system.

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    When is it? I'm interested to join but going back for CNY on 7th Feb. Can confirm the exact date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juste_millieu
    When is it? I'm interested to join but going back for CNY on 7th Feb. Can confirm the exact date?
    Will be after CNY will confirm the date by next week

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott
    Why not. I planing to show digital photography have alot of thing in common with zone system.

    So will it be a free workshop like you mentioned when you ask if pro image can do it? Or are you charging for the workshop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blurblock
    So will it be a free workshop like you mentioned when you ask if pro image can do it? Or are you charging for the workshop?
    The $30 is a token fee for refreshment and some visual material we don't make $ out of it. I mean we are giving free workshop by contributing our time, the material costs should be bear by everyone. I throught some one will be keen to sponser the venue but he not. So let not hum about it. Again it is non-profit workshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott
    Why not. I planing to show digital photography have alot of thing in common with zone system.
    Swee. Count me in.
    But must tell me the date and time first.

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