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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawn
    i'm a great F16 fan too (falcon 4.0 was my favourite game! ) but aren't those attack choppers like the Apaches meant to take the role of the A10 instead of fighter jets like the f16?

    i know an f16 can handle the CAS role, but ultimately, how many AGM-65e Mavericks can an f16 carry before it starts to hamper its manoeuvrability to the point of it having to jettison its missles just to defend itself?
    I don't think we can compare the AH-64 vs A10, one is Army and the other Air Force. As if the US Air Force would let an Army puke replace their own.

    Trading a mav for a tank is too expensive. Much cheaper to ripple Mk82s over the tank formation, a f16 can carry 24 at a time. These iron bombs are effective aginst tanks too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtwo
    Trading a mav for a tank is too expensive. Much cheaper to ripple Mk82s over the tank formation, a f16 can carry 24 at a time. These iron bombs are effective aginst tanks too.
    that's why tank formations are supposed to be 50-100m between vehicles. only in flight sims (and S. Gedong) do you see tanks bunched up nicely for a bullseye

    this is also why it is important for us to train overseas. until I went for Ex. Wall… we never could experience the embarassment of running out of juice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy
    that's why tank formations are supposed to be 50-100m between vehicles. only in flight sims (and S. Gedong) do you see tanks bunched up nicely for a bullseye

    this is also why it is important for us to train overseas. until I went for Ex. Wall… we never could experience the embarassment of running out of juice.
    A bit hard for dumb bombs to bullseye a tank lah Mr. C. But enough to make them button up, knock out radios/tracks... make life difficult.

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    Actually it might be better to deploy UAVs with hellfires against tanks. Low-cost, efficient and u can deploy a hundred of these without exposing human lives to enemy fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott
    The american think the same when that brought the M48 patton tanks to vietnam. Only to found out they are white elephant in jungle terrian where the viet-con refuse to fight in open space. So they came out mobile air lift force, which they call air cavalry. Basicly troops move by a rather new air craft back then in the 60s the "Huey" helicopter. Which did better then M48 and M113.
    singscott, you are right. Depends of the kind of warfare being fought.
    The Vietnamese choose to fight low intensity warfare in South Vietnam with the American. Hence, tanks in Vietnam war are almost useless.

    But Tanks still form the backbone of the armed force.
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    I just find it quite surprising that SAF stll keep AMX-13 SM1 as our main battle tank.

    If you all notice, we have the best facilities, the best training, new rifle (SAR21), new SBO, new Bionx IFV, new fighter/bombers on the planning to purchase (F-15/Euro Typhoon), new stealth frigate, Super Puma, Chinook and etc.

    Tanks is the main strength of offensive/defensive and assurance of a nation military strength despite all the thread of all forms it came from.
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    By the way, anyone know how many M1 Abrams are knock out during the 2nd Gulf War and the 1st year occupation period in Iraq.
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    A replacement is on trial now...
    based mainly on the Bionix platform.

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    Singapore's MBT is not the AMX....

    If u look at the bridging units we have....u shld be able to get an idea about the size of our MBTs

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    Quote Originally Posted by zen76
    Singapore's MBT is not the AMX....

    If u look at the bridging units we have....u shld be able to get an idea about the size of our MBTs
    The new ones or the old ones, as the new ones are actual SM1 hull with turret and gun remove

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Tiger
    I just find it quite surprising that SAF stll keep AMX-13 SM1 as our main battle tank.

    If you all notice, we have the best facilities, the best training, new rifle (SAR21), new SBO, new Bionx IFV, new fighter/bombers on the planning to purchase (F-15/Euro Typhoon), new stealth frigate, Super Puma, Chinook and etc.

    Tanks is the main strength of offensive/defensive and assurance of a nation military strength despite all the thread of all forms it came from.
    Because they change their idea in line with the american ma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott
    Because they change their idea in line with the american ma.

    I dont think so, we always have a clear idea what we wanted. If anything else we probably influenced more by "another" country than the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott
    The new ones or the old ones, as the new ones are actual SM1 hull with turret and gun remove
    halamak he is talking about what we had said earlier. MBT is actually the Tempest, AMX-13 is a light tank. Tempest is equivalent is size to the M60-based AVLB.

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    They should train men to fire m-16s riding mountain bikes for fibua....juz like the mongols archermen on horseback....we would be a force to be trifled with. Hehehehe. [/QUOTE]


    haha i like this idea.... talk abt mobile force... er... btu recoil from m16, might kick us off the bike leh.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denosha
    Heehee.. That's my NS toy. First batch (read: problems everywhere u turn). Actually speculations that we would never get a M1A1 are probably true since we seem to have a very distinct of idea of how heavy our armour gets. Not only that, the footprint of the vehicle to be able to move effectively in jungle-ish terrain. That's one reason why we didn't just buy the American Paladin 155mm SPH instead. It's too big/heavy. Other stuff i don't know if i can mention...

    eh.. Denosha... u were Arty? Which unit ah?
    I was in 20 SA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakite
    They should train men to fire m-16s riding mountain bikes for fibua....juz like the mongols archermen on horseback....we would be a force to be trifled with. Hehehehe.

    haha i like this idea.... talk abt mobile force... er... btu recoil from m16, might kick us off the bike leh.....[/QUOTE]

    Then you should have a M16 mount on the bike's handle bar..... and might as well put a aerodynamic kevlar shield at the front of the mountain bike plus self inflating tires...

    Btw is the bionix amphibious??? Think I saw its prototype as early as 1991. Looks much smaller and tested by guys in dark blue overalls...
    Just curious coz the M113 is able to add floatation kits.

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    Uhhh.... I think car bombs are the in thing these days... heheheh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    Btw is the bionix amphibious??? Think I saw its prototype as early as 1991. Looks much smaller and tested by guys in dark blue overalls...
    Just curious coz the M113 is able to add floatation kits.
    I think Bionix is fully amphibious. The "prototype" you saw maybe either the AMX APC or the M113 Ultra under trial.

    guys in dark blue overalls = non-SAF contract staff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy
    guys in dark blue overalls = non-SAF contract staff?
    Ya, always saw them at Area D on trial the Bionx before their launch many years ago.
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