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    Default honestly, how would u feel if such thing happen?

    if u and someone else joined a photography contest, u using top high end camera and expensive lens with lots of preparation works and years of experience. He only use a cheapskate compact camera.

    But he won first prize and u not even got a consolation prize.

    HONESTLY, how would u feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
    if u and someone else joined a photography contest, u using top high end camera and expensive lens with lots of preparation works and years of experience. He only use a cheapskate compact camera.

    But he won first prize and u not even got a consolation prize.

    HONESTLY, how would u feel?
    I don't have any of those things you mentioned ... but if I do, guess I'll just admit defeat and accept the fact that the photo which won must be better than mine. Period.

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    Seriously, I don't know.

    You will have to look at it from the picture perspective - the actual photograph he submitted. Is it truly better than yours? Chances are, if such things happen, that cheapskate camera's picture probably have better composition, emotion, etc than the one shot with high end cameras.

    At the end of the day, it is not the camera which counts, it's the photographer.

    I'd be more upset if the 1st price winner's piece doesn't deserve it, whether or not I joined the contest. I've seen things like this happen too many times. There was one contest which a friend of mine took part and didn't win. But the 1st price winner's entry was nothing unusual, and to me it didn't look better than the one my friend submitted.

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    different judges have different tastes and different sort of bias.

    it's all pretty much very very subjective....you look at a photo and you think it is smashing but someone may think it is crap, but to churn out smashing pics with a crap camera beats churning out smashing pics with a super cam.

    Don't fret over issues like these and enjoy what you shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpipefish

    Don't fret over issues like these and enjoy what you shoot.
    Well said

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    High-end equipment =/= Good pictures.

    But what's the worst is what ckiang had mentioned, how come the 1st prize winner got the 1st prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
    if u and someone else joined a photography contest, u using top high end camera and expensive lens with lots of preparation works and years of experience. He only use a cheapskate compact camera.

    But he won first prize and u not even got a consolation prize.

    HONESTLY, how would u feel?
    U izit?

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    just admit i am not good enough lor...
    but still happy shooting.

    anyway, 1st prize doesnt always mean best pic, best colour, sharpest, best angle, best lighting, etc.
    maybe he just got the right pic for the corresponding theme, at the right place at the right time to capture that moment, etc.

    dont take such things too seriously...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
    if u and someone else joined a photography contest, u using top high end camera and expensive lens with lots of preparation works and years of experience. He only use a cheapskate compact camera.

    But he won first prize and u not even got a consolation prize.

    HONESTLY, how would u feel?
    It's only a competition. I would genuinely, undeservedly, openly and proudly feel happy for anyone who has beaten me to win the first prize.

    I happen to believe in the power of cheapskate cameras. In fact I spent US$120 to buy a plastic toy lens for my DSLR to stimulate images taken by a plastic toy camera.

    Top end camera and expensive lens produces one look. It might just happen that the judges like a different look with vignettes, a degree of edge unsharpness, an element of surprise and a touch of madness?

    For an image to be common, unexciting and everyone-can-take type, it takes a lot of planning, control and conceptual power. Most amateurs would fail on this score because they want to be different, to be edgy and "creative".

    May the lucky one win. I didn't say "best" one mah.....

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    reason we get high end cameras are cuz of commercial reasons. clients want CLEAN AND GOOD images which sadly some consumer cameras cannot produce.

    competitions are a different market.

    it's comparing instand noodles with coffee..
    sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpipefish
    different judges have different tastes and different sort of bias.

    it's all pretty much very very subjective....you look at a photo and you think it is smashing but someone may think it is crap, but to churn out smashing pics with a crap camera beats churning out smashing pics with a super cam.

    Don't fret over issues like these and enjoy what you shoot.
    For me the best photographic contest would be or should be one where...I am not interested to know what camera you use, or lens..etc. Just submit the shot base on the given theme and then get judged base on the pictures' merit like creativity in delivering the theme to the viewer and a smaller percentage toward quality of the work/technique used. Only after the winning picture is selected do you reveal what camera, setting..blah blah..etc is then tagged to the picture as an after-thought.

    But most important, 90% of contest are rarely judge by qualified photographers. Most are really who? MPs? The main sponsore of camera or camera manufacturer's representative who might selling camera or something related to it but know nuts about shooting themselves, some invited guests who are celebrities...etc. Even if you have a panel of 6, if only 2-3 are qualified photographer/creative heads and the other 3 are just businessmen throw into the mix, do you think the photographic contest WILL really be a Photographic contest? Sometime, you just can't take all this contest too seriously. And if you are one of those with all the best possible equipment to hog along for your shooting project and still can;t win? Well..live and learn and come to understand that a carpenter should not blame his tools. For this folks...well..even if you were to downgrade your equipment, you will still be shooting what standards you are shooting now. For those witl less costly equipment and you managed to win some praises or win a few contest or one contest...well...pat yourself on the back but that does not mean you can now justify to go out and buy more espensive equipment thinking with more better equipment you can improve on your chances of winning even more or bigger contest still. Well that is only two way of looking at it and there are definitely more ways of looking at it lah hehe... Life's too short. This is a free world of choice, if you can buy the best because you feel like it...fine. If all you need is just a basic P&S..that is fine too. I think everyone still can afford to stand a good chance win something. IT could also be said if you saw some one won a contest and he was using some super equipment and you lose becasue you were using a D70 with a kit lens or a P&S...then do you go out and buy more? I think you can improve and yes you should upgrade....not by buying newer better camera equipment but by buying more books to train your mind to appreciate art, learn about composite, learn to use your mind;s eye better...etc. You might be surprise that the reason you lost out is not due to a better taken picture with better equipment but a picture that score high on creativity that send a more powerful message about the theme across to people. Sometime, like me in the creative line, we try to be too clever sometime and we can end up with a sophisticated design but it can all be lose on a target audience that is not geared to think like you and thus a simpler creative idea would have won me more sales looking at my advertisement. Same thing can apply to photograpy too. I have seen some really great photography... caught my attention but as I look at it longer..it was just a themeless greatly shot picture..just like the many thousands I see online and in books...nice but no message or story.

    Well no easy answer lah hehe...SO many reason why you did not win. No use dwelling on it too much. Learn from it and then move on and try again. Hey...I am sure even Picasso or Adam had done some really bad work themselves not just during their begining but during their career too. You may have seen their masterpieces..but really..how many is that? 10? 50? They live for a long time and if that is all they painted or shot? wah..they damn free man! heheh To perfect your craft you have to have done alot more ulgy bad work before you start to improve.

    MOst of us are hobbist..yes we try to do what we can to improve our ability to fully immerse ourselves in the hobby but it is also suppose to be a relaxing gig...why add so much pressure and stress in to it. Creative ideas can never come from stress and pressure. It comes to you when you are realistic, calm and willing to let it flow freely from you using what tools you have at your disposal to do it. I think most of the best work were done not to enter or win contest. They might be picked for it later but when that photo was shot..you are in a difference mindset and world. Picasso and Adam or all those other masters did not do what they did to win or earn money. Those just came base on their own merit of excellent and passion of work.

    Opps...think I am going OT now hehe...well sorry...just consider this my ranting on the subject.

    Oh btw..I am sure there will be days those with very expensive equipment will win contest too!.
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    It meant the judges liked his photo better. Duh

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    Yeah, a similar thing happened. But i walked off with his girlfriend.
    Time, is an effortless construction :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo
    Yeah, a similar thing happened. But i walked off with his girlfriend.
    Huh? U mean someone won a photo competition with a photo taken with a lower range cammie than yours ... and u walked off with his gf? Wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
    if u and someone else joined a photography contest, u using top high end camera and expensive lens with lots of preparation works and years of experience. He only use a cheapskate compact camera.

    But he won first prize and u not even got a consolation prize.

    HONESTLY, how would u feel?
    OT abit here...hehe
    Not all compact cameras are cheap! Take a look at all those high-ends one -
    Contax T3, Leica Minilux, Leica CM, Minolta TC-1, Ricoh GR1 and etc.
    Some of these compact cameras even more expensive than a comsumer SLR and take better quality pics.

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    he probably deserves it

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    maybe who's behind the camera rather than the camera itself?... just my cheapskate point of view.. a contest is just a contest.. doesn't mean if i have a cheap skate camera makes me a lousy photographer or vice versa... maybe we are too hung up on expensinve equipement.. maybe expensive equipment may help to boost our already big ego rather our creativity.. just maybe..

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade
    Huh? U mean someone won a photo competition with a photo taken with a lower range cammie than yours ... and u walked off with his gf? Wow!
    Yes. He did that and walked off with the prize too.

    Some people have that kind of power. I can't tell you more cos you won't believe me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
    if u and someone else joined a photography contest, u using top high end camera and expensive lens with lots of preparation works and years of experience. He only use a cheapskate compact camera.

    But he won first prize and u not even got a consolation prize.

    HONESTLY, how would u feel?
    Trade my equipment for his cheapskate camera ... it's time for him to shoot crap!

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    Equipment is just a tool, you'll never understand how the judges judge, it always happens.

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