Glamour & Nude Course(starts on 15 FEb 2005)

[MissDi]

Hi all!

GLAMOUR AND NUDE PHOTOGRAPHY WORKSHOP
Glamour and nude photography are some of the most popular branches of photography. This 3 lessons workshop is meant to equip the students with the knowledge and assist them in their initial step into a world of glamour and artistic nude photography. This workshop consist of a small class population to enable the students to have more chances to interact with the model. The workshop fees include the hiring of the models for the practical session.
Duration : 3 sessions, 2 hours per session
Course Fee : S$200 (member), S$300 (non-member). Fee inclusive of model charges
Language : English
Pre-requisite : Basic Photography Course
Instructor : Steven Yee Pui Chung

Lesson 1 (Steven Yee):
History of nude photography
Difference between glamour and nude photography
Difference between nude and pornography
Equipment needed
The importance of the concept and set-up
The props and dress
Lighting effect
Common filters
Model release
Location (indoor and outdoor)
Communicating with the model and ethics

Lesson 2 (Steven Yee):
Practical with a model in lingerie and artistic nude poses

Lesson 3 (Steven Yee):
Photo finishing
Creative usage of images

Interested! Do e-mail Kellyn/ Diane at pss1950@singnet.com.sg to enquire.

[Salted Egg Superman]

May I know if Makeup and transportation for outdoor shoot is covered?

[John Tan]

Originally Posted by Salted Egg Superman May I know if Makeup and transportation for outdoor shoot is covered?

Yes of course.

[vince123123]

really? there is no mention of an outdoor shoot if you read it carefully.

Originally Posted by John Tan Yes of course.

[blurblock]

Vince, There is no mention of any studio shoot either, should we just assume there is no studio shoot?

Anyway, it is also noted in the course content there is :

Location (indoor and outdoor)

So I guess that means there is an outdoor shoot, or else how to get a full grasps of location shoot?

I am glad they finally included Makeup fee, transport fee, model fee, and all other possible fees into the course and not becoming another Hidden Cost course ......

By the way, is John Tan an instructor at PSS? If not how would he know makeup and transportation is included?

Everyone here with me?

[superman]

Outdoor nude photography... Unlikely.... Most likely studio shoot...

[vince123123]

in "Location (indoor and outdoor)" you would notice its under "Lesson One".

When you see Lesson one, its obviously a theory lesson, unless you can interpret that lesson to mean covering ALL of those points PLUS a indoor sesion PLUS an oudoor session - highly unlikely. if anything, its just a briefing on how to select locations and/or things to consider for indoor/outdoor photography.

this is supported by Lesson two, which states that it is a "PRACTICAL". no mention of indoor or outdoor was stated here. it is reasonable to assume that its an indoor session

finally, as superman has pointed out, an outdoor nude shoot is rather unlikely, especialy by the PSS.

My point is to wonder how "John Tan" arrived at the conclusion he did.

Originally Posted by blurblock Vince, There is no mention of any studio shoot either, should we just assume there is no studio shoot? Anyway, it is also noted in the course content there is : Location (indoor and outdoor) So I guess that means there is an outdoor shoot, or else how to get a full grasps of location shoot? I am glad they finally included Makeup fee, transport fee, model fee, and all other possible fees into the course and not becoming another Hidden Cost course ...... By the way, is John Tan an instructor at PSS? If not how would he know makeup and transportation is included? Everyone here with me?

[John Tan]

Sorry for k.p.o to answer behalf for PSS and to my friend ' salt egg superman' but I do know that they don't provide Hidden Cost course for sure as I'm one of the member of PSS. I know their working style.

As for this course, confirm there is no outdoor shoot...only for theory part if read carefully unless....maybe ... specially request to shoot it (rural area) oversea if willing to pay for a premium...oops not again...sorry...

[blurblock]

I don't know about the no hidden cost course part ..... look at the Fashion photography course they are giving ....

No model, no make up, no transport, no anything. Everyone is expected to pay at least another $50 per session for model, makeup and transport ......

Is that classified as hidden cost? I still do not know how to take fashion photography without a model and makeup........

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=109486

[John Tan]

Just for your info... "Fee inclusive of model charges" stated in the 1st thread.

[blurblock]

Originally Posted by John Tan Just for your info... "Fee inclusive of model charges" stated in the 1st thread.

But does it include Make up? Transport (should there be an outdoor shoot, it only says practical in second session, which can be indoor or outdoor shoot)? etc etc .......

[jamestan]

Originally Posted by blurblock Vince, There is no mention of any studio shoot either, should we just assume there is no studio shoot? Anyway, it is also noted in the course content there is : Location (indoor and outdoor) So I guess that means there is an outdoor shoot, or else how to get a full grasps of location shoot? I am glad they finally included Makeup fee, transport fee, model fee, and all other possible fees into the course and not becoming another Hidden Cost course ...... By the way, is John Tan an instructor at PSS? If not how would he know makeup and transportation is included? Everyone here with me?

Dear blurblock, since you are rather experienced in this area (my assumption, please correct me if I am wrong), when a course states "Fee inclusive of model charges", is it safe to assume that ALL charges relating to the model (including model's meals) are covered?

[jamestan]

Originally Posted by blurblock But does it include Make up? Transport (should there be an outdoor shoot, it only says practical in second session, which can be indoor or outdoor shoot)? etc etc .......

So sorry, blurblock its me again.

MissDi in the start of thread did mention in

Originally Posted by MissDi Location (indoor and outdoor)

Safe to assume that there will be indoor and outdoor (emphasis mine)??

[blurblock]

Originally Posted by jamestan Dear blurblock, since you are rather experienced in this area (my assumption, please correct me if I am wrong), when a course states "Fee inclusive of model charges", is it safe to assume that ALL charges relating to the model (including model's meals) are covered?

I should assume so, but with PSS, I cannot be sure, they seems to often interpret it as "the Fee only inclusive of model charges as in they will hire the model, but for makeup and everything else, please pay another X amount of dollars, for the actual extra you are required to pay, the instructor will tell you at the start of the course, the administator know nuts about it".

I had Never taken any course with them before, but from previous threads they post, it seems like they have lots of hidden cost. Thus the question posed by me, are there hidden cost? They can provide the model, but no makeup and/or no transport.

PSS is a well established organisation, I do hope the live up to their name as a representative of Singapore's photographers , a promoter of photography to Singapore, and not becoming another money grabbing organisation which often states they are "Non-profit Organisation".

[blurblock]

Originally Posted by jamestan So sorry, blurblock its me again. MissDi in the start of thread did mention in Safe to assume that there will be indoor and outdoor (emphasis mine)??

Hi James, as you should had noticed, I do not even bother to reply to Vince's thread regarding the following statement he put up :

"this is supported by Lesson two, which states that it is a "PRACTICAL". no mention of indoor or outdoor was stated here. it is reasonable to assume that its an indoor session"

In my view, if you teaches both indoor and outdoor location shoot, then you should include both indoor and outdoor practical sessions. But Vince here says it is reasonable to just assume it is an indoor session, which I sincerely doubt should be the case. Unless of course it is written there as "PRACTICAL -- Indoors Only". Or else, IMHO, I think it should contain outdoor location shoot as well.

[vince123123]

although I would think that both an indoor and outdoor session would be necesssary to properly support the theory syllabus in lesson 1, its not likely because:

(a) few nude shoots are done outdoors
(b) unlikely they can squeeze both indoor and outdoor in a single "lesson", unless of course they have lesson 2a and lesson 2b.

It is noted that you did not reply to my post, not only to the paragraph quoted by you, but also the hypothesis relating to the fact that lesson 1 is likely to be a theory lesson.

nevertheless, perhaps it would be a good idea for those interested to call PSS and get them to reply in the thread

Cheers!

Originally Posted by blurblock Hi James, as you should had noticed, I do not even bother to reply to Vince's thread regarding the following statement he put up : "this is supported by Lesson two, which states that it is a "PRACTICAL". no mention of indoor or outdoor was stated here. it is reasonable to assume that its an indoor session" In my view, if you teaches both indoor and outdoor location shoot, then you should include both indoor and outdoor practical sessions. But Vince here says it is reasonable to just assume it is an indoor session, which I sincerely doubt should be the case. Unless of course it is written there as "PRACTICAL -- Indoors Only". Or else, IMHO, I think it should contain outdoor location shoot as well.

[Steven Yee]

Hi everyone.

No more speculations. I am here to clear the air.

i am indeed surprised that the thread blew a bit out of proportions and there are so many speculations.

Just to clarify, the course consists of 3 lessons, a total of 6 hours.

The first lesson ( 2hours) is on theory. There is no shoot during the first lesson.

The second lesson (3 hours) consists of a studio shoot (indoor of course) of a model. This sessions is also a crash course on studio lighting, just to get started.

We wrap up with a photo critique session and participants shall appreciate image editing. This may last beyond 1 hour.

Shooting nude in the outdoor in Singapore is illegal, for your information. The first lesson is critical as it equip you with relevant info to be a responsible photographer, in a way, to protect yourself as well as the model's interest.

[Steven Yee]

And yes, the fee include the model fees. The shoot is conducted indoor, hence no transport is needed.

[Steven Yee]

Originally Posted by blurblock I should assume so, but with PSS, I cannot be sure, they seems to often interpret it as "the Fee only inclusive of model charges as in they will hire the model, but for makeup and everything else, please pay another X amount of dollars, for the actual extra you are required to pay, the instructor will tell you at the start of the course, the administator know nuts about it". I had Never taken any course with them before, but from previous threads they post, it seems like they have lots of hidden cost. Thus the question posed by me, are there hidden cost? They can provide the model, but no makeup and/or no transport. PSS is a well established organisation, I do hope the live up to their name as a representative of Singapore's photographers , a promoter of photography to Singapore, and not becoming another money grabbing organisation which often states they are "Non-profit Organisation".

Dear blurblock,

PSS is a non-profit organisation. For courses that has fees that include model fees, the participants are not required to pay for the model. Of course, if the participants would like to shoot beyond the stipulated time, the model has to be reimbursed and the participants are willing to pay for more. This is a fair game.

Certainly, other costs like "makan" and transport are not provided. It is a personal expense.

[Steven Yee]

Originally Posted by blurblock I don't know about the no hidden cost course part ..... look at the Fashion photography course they are giving .... No model, no make up, no transport, no anything. Everyone is expected to pay at least another $50 per session for model, makeup and transport ...... Is that classified as hidden cost? I still do not know how to take fashion photography without a model and makeup........ http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=109486

As per the instructor for Fashion course, the course fees does not include model fees. The fees will be discussed among the students with the instructor during the class.

We are transparent with the cost, and there is no hidden cost.

In a way, it depends on how you define hidden costs. Obviously things like transport and makan are not considered hidden costs and they are not part of the fees. There is no end to the definition of hidden cost. And of course, the course fees does not include film and processing. We are keeping the course fee low so that it is affordable. Some students have cars or bikes, and usually we have car pooling. 2 cars are enough to fetch the whole class.