26th January 2005, 05:41 PM
It's true on what mentioned. The thing about talent is who knows whether you are talented? Sure you may know 2 photographers who have extreme talents in their fields in photography but as mentioned they are not well off. It does not matter if your friend's works is collected by 6000 museums as it does not mean his is talented. With no one talking and marketing your talents, it's as good as no talent.
Originally Posted by student
Although I personally come from an artist background, (my dad was a painter and my mom is an art teacher) it does not make me a talented photographer. I learn from my mentors in Australia quoting that "Talents will grow gradually. but if not guided properly, you will only waste your talents." Talents are usually discovered by people who knows the market well. It's not only about commercial point of view.
Seriously speaking, anybody really can pick up a camera and start clicking away.
Just like for your case, which you specialized in Black and White photography. Black and White Prints are not just sold as raw prints. They have to be mounted with acid-free mounting board, the right frame (colour, texture) and how you actually frame up your photos too. Without some of this, your prints are only black and white prints. Your talents comes in not only in printing a great print but also great presentation. With years of experience that you have, I am sure just by a looking at a print, you will know which mounting board colours, frames and so on will fit your prints. This take years and years to learn.
Most of us have some talent and most of the time it's only RAW talent. There is always someone out there will groom and tune your RAW talents into great talent.
Last edited by Pro Image; 26th January 2005 at 05:44 PM.
26th January 2005, 08:29 PM
If you read my post carefully, you will realise that I think there is a problem with definitions. Obviously you and I have a different definition of what talent is.
Originally Posted by Pro Image
To me talent is something in the DNA. Some people with extreme talent can take up a guitar and play it immediately. Others need to put some work in. Still others like me, can only play the guitar in rather mediocre manner. Obviously there are degrees of talents. I am no English professor. My son laughs at my English. But it is my understanding that used in such a way "talent" means innate skills. It may need nuturing, but innate skills nonetheless. I love basketball. But I am flat footed and my hands are so small that if I try to scoop the ball with one hand, it will fly off! No matter how hard I train, the physical limits put a contraints on the level I can achieve. So I forget about NBA!
We are talking about talents PHOTOGRAPHICALLY. This is where I absolutely beg to disagree with you. Photographic talents are there whether one is financially rich or not. Photography talents have nothing to do with marketing! To illustrate. Read the DayBooks of Edward Weston. I strongly urge all serious photographers to read the diaries of Edward Weston. You will find Weston terribly poor. To save money for his photographic materials, he actually ate food that does not require cleaning of utensils! When his son, Brett Weston had a fracture, it was his true friends who gave him money to allow Brett to have his surgery! When he finally suffered from Parkinson's Disease, he was so poor that his floor was filled with the **** of his beloved cats. Such was the poverty of Edward Weston!! Yet who dares deny Edward Weston his place in history in the world of photography!
You are confusing talent with recognition by the general public. Your mentor is right, but I think you have misquoted and misapplied his statements. He was talking (as far as the quote you gave is concerned) about nuturing talents, such as a coach teaching a player to play basketball better. He was not necessarily talking about success in the wide world. He was talking about RAW talent (your words), nuturing, and directing it.
Let me talk a little about my friend who has works collected by museums. The fact that museums collect his works is testimony to his talents. The curators could see something that the ordinary eyes could not. They saw the special power of his images and a new way of seeing. Hence they collected his works. But he is not successful commercially.
I assert my opinion that there is a difference between talent and commercial/recognition(in the marketing sense) success. There are many successful photographers, including some in Singapore who currently are exhibiting here. But real talents? Or marketing? Dont we all have experience as suckers for misleading marketing for poor products?
26th January 2005, 08:36 PM
26th January 2005, 09:34 PM
Adding fuel to the fire...
Originally Posted by renegade
26th January 2005, 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by The_Cheat
26th January 2005, 10:03 PM
Okie got it......if you are talking about DNA talent.
Originally Posted by student
Last edited by Pro Image; 26th January 2005 at 10:18 PM.
26th January 2005, 10:18 PM
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan, 'Press on', has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
-- Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States (1923-1929)
Last edited by Ben1223; 26th January 2005 at 10:25 PM.
26th January 2005, 10:31 PM
President Coolidge was touring a farm with his wife. They saw a rooster making out with several hens. With a wink Mrs Coolidge elbowed the President and said " See how enargetic the rooster is?" The President thought about it for a while and then commented. "Well, if I have several hens, I can also do likewise!"
Hence was borned the "Coolidge Effect"!
On a more serious note, it is absolutely true that of the two - raw talent and dogged hard work (enthusiasm, persistence implied), I think dogged hard work is the more important one, if one have to make a distinction.
But talent + hard work. That is a formidable combination! A lot more, I dare say, than hard work alone!
26th January 2005, 10:34 PM
Just trying to inspire people with little talents (like myself) to 'press on'.
Originally Posted by student
26th January 2005, 10:39 PM
Absolutely! For me too! I think with hard work, we all can make great images!
Originally Posted by Ben1223
But once in a while the true genius comes in and show us things and start something truly new and profound. We do need people like that.
26th January 2005, 10:46 PM
And some pixels!
Originally Posted by Sion
26th January 2005, 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
with regards to your postings..my commenst is that there is no such crap things ..no one is in borned with photographic talens...
whatever achievements that anyone have made through great photographic shots are those through very learning curve....and tons of hard work..
to be good you need perserverence and willingness to learnt with an open mind and experient..my advise is...dont give up....try harder..
key pointers ; Learnt..shoot..Experiement...Seek comments....Improvement and Keep Shooting...