Canon EOS 1Ds vs EOS 1D MK II

[akdwivedi]

Hi

I was looking at the prices of used EOS 1Ds and 1DMK II prices.. Both of them selling around 6.5-7K... Given the option that you can get both at similar prices, which one will you choose..

Does the 11Mpix resolution of 1Ds provide advantage over 1DMKII? or the 1DMKII later technology (advanced chipsets) are better over 1Ds..

thanks in advance

[nightwolf75]

2 different cameras for 2 different purposes.

1Ds is a full-frame (ie WYSIWYG, no 1.6x crop factor) 11MP camera.
1DmkII is a 1.3x crop factor, 8MP machine-gun (40fps, if i remember correctly).

1Ds, as far as i've seen, are mainly used by studio/fashion pros. at 11MP, according to reviews, its pretty close to MF prints (again, up to personal interpretation. i'm just quoting reviews).

1DmkII is almost the domain of news/sports/event shooters who needs the fast fps.

so, end of the day, wat u shoot most often determines wat cam to get. dun make much sense comparing these 2 cams as they are targetting at different users.

[xl1]

get 1Dmk2, you get the new technology, Ettl2, Digic2, ISO, 10X magnifier at LCD, Higher LCD pixel, and 8Fps

1Ds is good if you not need High ISO, High speed frame, mainly is for studio and architectural.
1Ds is only 3X magnification in LCD, and i think the highest iso is only 1250

But ISO comparable with 1d2, 1d2 is better noise than 1ds.
If your priority is want a fullframe, then you choose 1ds, otherwise i suggest 1d2

just my opinion, different ppl may diff. opinion

[neves_atk]

Addition:

1) U can save a lot on the "L" lenses by getting 1Ds...(full frame)
2) U can time ur shot (1Ds = 3fps, 10max) to counter 1DMII's however you cant counter 1Ds's 11mp with 1DMII's 8mp

1Ds <-- My 5cent worth's call..

[ambient2004]

Thats the problem asking for suggestions in terms of buying. You get more confused after so many comments as different people sees it differently.

Just to get you more confused.

GET BOTH LAH!
Then again, If you get both of them, might as well go for 1Ds Mark2!

[Belle&Sebastain]

my choice is the 1DmkII, the 1x3 crop factor makes the 45 focusing points wider across the frame plus many other factors.


its really up to your own needs.

[ST1100]

The mkII is a better all-round camera.

Faster review time, better LCD zoom, 3-colour-histogram, faster startup, vertical sensor, 8fps, better battery life (! don't get me started on this one), warranty, ISO3200, ETTL-II, blah blah blah.

The only reasons i would consider the 1Ds (in your shoes):

- Want/need absolute image quality for large prints. (Low ISO only).
- Wide angle fanatic. [NB: i don't think Canon's wides (below 20mm) do justice to the 1Ds.]
- Fisheye fanatic.
- Resale. (A new mkII's price will obviously drop more than the 1Ds' in a year's time.)
- Like very very thin DOF. (Larger format advantage.)


In 90% of the situations i can think of (events, weddings, sports, etc) the mkII is a more versatile choice.

But if you decide on the mkII, you may want to ask, what does the mkII have over the 20D at three times the price?

[akdwivedi]

Originally Posted by ST1100 But if you decide on the mkII, you may want to ask, what does the mkII have over the 20D at three times the price?

thanks for detailed analysis... I probably will ask the question if both 1DMKII and 20D are available at the same price.. dreaming too much..

I see that 1DMKII is overwhelmingly favourite in Singapore..

[mpenza]

the 1Ds offers 30+% more resolution than the 1D Mk II. you have to assess whether you need the extra resolution (depending on how big you want to print and what sort of quality you want to get). If resolution is a very important factor (and also the 1x crop factor vs 1.3x), go for it. If not, the 1DMkII seems to make better sense as a newer and higher speed camera.

[mpenza]

Originally Posted by akdwivedi thanks for detailed analysis... I probably will ask the question if both 1DMKII and 20D are available at the same price.. dreaming too much.. I see that 1DMKII is overwhelmingly favourite in Singapore..

the question is whether you need a 1DMKII or a 20D is enough to do the job. 20D offers faster burst rates and deeper buffer (for JPGs) compared to the 1DS. The area where it loses is the resolution, some focussing speed and 1x crop factor (if wide angle is important). An expensive equipment need not be a better tool for the job.

[ST1100]

OT a bit.

It's much harder to spell out the diff btw a 20D and a mkII. On paper, the difference is minute, but ask anyone who has handled both (pro and consumer) bodies intimately, and they will testify that there is big difference.

Case in point: when the 10D or 20D centre AF point lights up, the real point of focus is sometimes off-centred, to the top/bottom/left/right. (Sometimes mistaken as 'back-focus -- actually it's 'wrong-focus'). When a 1-series locks AF in the centre, i know the square that lights up is exactly what was focussed on.

[Hilarion]

The 1Ds is certainly a much better camera if you need the extra resolution but if it is the burst speed that you require, then the 1D Mk 2 is certainly a better choice.

[dbcs]

You gotta have really good lenses to maximise the performance of the 1Ds. It's one camera which will outperform most lenses - less forgiving without the crop factor and high-res.

[Belle&Sebastain]

[quote=ST1100]OT a bit.

It's much harder to spell out the diff btw a 20D and a mkII. On paper, the difference is minute, but ask anyone who has handled both (pro and consumer) bodies intimately, and they will testify that there is big difference.
QUOTE]


there is a difference, big one abit in my own humble thought about the consumer and pro bodies.

[imaginary_number]

Originally Posted by ST1100 OT a bit. It's much harder to spell out the diff btw a 20D and a mkII. On paper, the difference is minute, but ask anyone who has handled both (pro and consumer) bodies intimately, and they will testify that there is big difference. Case in point: when the 10D or 20D centre AF point lights up, the real point of focus is sometimes off-centred, to the top/bottom/left/right. (Sometimes mistaken as 'back-focus -- actually it's 'wrong-focus'). When a 1-series locks AF in the centre, i know the square that lights up is exactly what was focussed on.

Actually, unlike its predecessor(s), the 20D's center pt AF is a high precision sensor as well, like the one on the 1D/1DMII/1Ds. Quoting Chuck Westfall, "A high-precision AF sensor produces focusing accuracy within 1/3 the depth-of-focus for the lens' maximum aperture". And just to add, my 20D does give spot on focus with Canon lenses.

I highly suspect that the 20D front/back focusing issues brought up is probably due to:
1) Lens calibration issue.
2) 20D QC?
3) User problem.
4) All of the above.

[user111]

take the

20d if u want lightweight. it is very very light even with 2 batteries and grip.

1dmark2 if u love the 1.3x crop and faster frame rate

1ds if u love full frame

[nightwolf75]

come to think of it, wats the latest prices for new sets anyway? i think 1Ds is still selling close to $10K? i know the listed price for 1DsmkII is ard $13-$14K. 1DmkII???

[nickmak]

Originally Posted by nightwolf75 come to think of it, wats the latest prices for new sets anyway? i think 1Ds is still selling close to $10K? i know the listed price for 1DsmkII is ard $13-$14K. 1DmkII???

Hey bro!

You going to buy the 1DsMKII right?

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by nickmak Hey bro! You going to buy the 1DsMKII right?

if u selling....

nah... dats at least another 1-2 yrs, until canon launches the 1dmkIII, then i'll buy.

[Hilarion]

Ditto, Belle & Seb