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    This one is worse, they cheat they own people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    This one is worse, they cheat they own people.
    Actually I thought it's the other way? Their people willingly gets cheated by them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    This one is worse, they cheat they own people.

    Thats is how all scam starts... also includes children in debts, lying to their aging parents to sign over their HDB flats to them. Therefore... there is no worst or less worst... all the victims suffers.

    I'll let the LAW handle this... as this is nothing more than White Collar Crime in my eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    Thanks for the link.

    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    Which part ??

    Nigeria Scam is famous for cheating overseas people of their $$$... are you saying that all the above example, foreigners are mainly the target ??
    I think he is referring to the corruption and cheating are are endemic in Nigeria.

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfton View Post
    Actually I thought it's the other way? Their people willingly gets cheated by them
    Agree, so this is not cheating as Sun Ho's videos have been on the internet for a long time and members know what they are in for. The members give willingly and they should be praised for their pure sacrifice and for giving to a cause they believed in until their "heart is broken."

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    The guy looks like the DIABLO! So EVIL! haha!
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    Agree, so this is not cheating as Sun Ho's videos have been on the internet for a long time and members know what they are in for. The members give willingly and they should be praised for their pure sacrifice and for giving to a cause they believed in until their "heart is broken."
    i beg to differ. i don't think most of the congregation had no idea what was going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM View Post
    The guy looks like the DIABLO! So EVIL! haha!
    watch your words here bro. do NOT try to break and shake the faith of CHC members who are in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    This is so true, especially in trying times like this. Every dollar will be worth double the points in heaven.
    Aiyoh, actually I am wrong. No wonder he is rich and I am not.
    THE TEMASEK TIMES

    "The pastor preaches that God will give 30-fold, 60-fold, 100-fold returns on your tithe. But, you have to be generous in your donations first so that you will receive in harvest proportions."

    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    i beg to differ. i don't think most of the congregation had no idea what was going on.
    Even now when they know what is going on they are praying for him and expecting him to come out "spotless from all this."

    http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/06/26...o-protect-him/

    Accusations were already made in 2002/2003 by a Mr Roland Poon Swee Kay but people choose to turn a blind eye to it. Do they seriously think that Sun Ho is making tonnes of money from her singing?

    This is so similar to the NKF case where accusations were also made but later the accusers have to apologise under duress.

    "NKF volunteer Archie Ong and aero-modelling instructor Piragasam Singaravelu, both of whom had said that they had seen Durai travelling in first class on airlines while making NKF business trips, were taken to court separately in 1998. Both apologised and paid damages and costs to the NKF after realising they were effectively fighting a losing battle against the unlimited monetary resources of the NKF."
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    The man is being charged in a secular court. What in the world has faith gotta do with it? If he has indeed abused the money entrusted to him then he is indeed evil, nothing wrong with his words at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    So you're saying that you did not specifically mention one religion. you did state "CHURCH" only, while all the other options (except NKF) were organizations in-general.



    and this is your original post:
    Did I say Christian church? Or Did I say catholic church / baptist church / parish church? If u are offended by the use of words CHURCH then maybe you should also write to the press to avoid using of the words CHURCH OR SPECIFICALLY CITY HARVEST CHURCH. Again I didn't infer to Christian church alThough one's can get the specific church from the press / news / pastors.

    Abetter Solution for you is consider using TEMPLE. If it makeup sound less nasty and stop barking like a mad dog.


    Are u a Christian.? Btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    The man is being charged in a secular court. What in the world has faith gotta do with it? If he has indeed abused the money entrusted to him then he is indeed evil, nothing wrong with his words at all.
    In my eyes he has done no wrong. Rev Kong Hee has already declared to everyone that he is a businessman.
    :: City Harvest Church (2012) ::

    Jesus has also said: ""Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"
    Render unto Caesar... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...

    So if people are ecstatic to sell their houses and render unto him their things then that is their right.

    He is only wrong in the eyes and laws of men. BTW, anyone has any idea which accounting firm is used by CHC?

    Rev Kong said, “We always try to be as transparent as we can in all our activities. Our accounts are audited yearly by a public accounting firm.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    Jesus has also said: ""Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"


    So if people are ecstatic to sell their houses and render unto him their things then that is their right.
    i think you mis-interprete this, and quote it out of context ... the money does not have Pastor Kong Hee's face on the note.... so, the people are giving him money belonging to Republic of Singapore to Pastor Kong Hee. Taking things which does not belong to you,... in pure English translation means stealing. Maybe i should express it in aramic to avoid mis-interpretation?

    Look at his facebook page and see how his members address him ... they address him as Pastor Kong .... if you address a businessman as Pastor, then, you may wish to address the billionaire Peter Lim, Pastor Peter Lim as well. It's an honorary address,. no ?

    Why is he called a pastor and not reverent ? is there a difference? Because he is a founder of a church and not ordained by the bishops of a church,... is that why ?

    Whatever it is, if he confess his sins and repent, God is faithful and just to forgive him from all his unrighteousness (1 John 1:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    In my eyes he has done no wrong. Rev Kong Hee has already declared to everyone that he is a businessman.
    :: City Harvest Church (2012) ::

    Jesus has also said: ""Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"
    Render unto Caesar... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...

    So if people are ecstatic to sell their houses and render unto him their things then that is their right.

    He is only wrong in the eyes and laws of men. BTW, anyone has any idea which accounting firm is used by CHC?

    Rev Kong said, “We always try to be as transparent as we can in all our activities. Our accounts are audited yearly by a public accounting firm.”
    Isn't that enough? We don't have any religious laws here, only laws of man. We cannot put a man on trial for the wrongs he has done against "god" because we have no such laws but we can put a man on trial for the wrongs he has done against his fellow man. And that is what Kong Hee is accused of, committing a wrong against a fellow man. Please do not start quoting the bible in this case as it is irrelevant. Did he break the law? Well that is what he is accused of. The trial will prove whether he is innocent or guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milez View Post
    i think you mis-interprete this, and quote it out of context ... the money does not have Pastor Kong Hee's face on the note.... so, the people are giving him money belonging to Republic of Singapore to Pastor Kong Hee. Taking things which does not belong to you,... in pure English translation means stealing. Maybe i should express it in aramic to avoid mis-interpretation?
    Quote Originally Posted by Evilmerlin View Post
    Please do not start quoting the bible in this case as it is irrelevant.
    Ha, ha, ok lah. My bad.

    Anyway his fellow man is praying for his protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreaming
    Did I say Christian church? Or Did I say catholic church / baptist church / parish church? If u are offended by the use of words CHURCH then maybe you should also write to the press to avoid using of the words CHURCH OR SPECIFICALLY CITY HARVEST CHURCH. Again I didn't infer to Christian church alThough one's can get the specific church from the press / news / pastors.

    Abetter Solution for you is consider using TEMPLE. If it makeup sound less nasty and stop barking like a mad dog.

    Are u a Christian.? Btw
    Yes. I am a Christian. And by Church, you're referring to the Body of Christ, be it Methodist, Catholics or other denominations of Christianity.

    Before you start calling me names and flaming, i suggest you go buck up on your own knowledge before you get flamed by the others here

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    A pattern is forming now:

    Alumni of Raffles Institution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffles...ion_(Secondary)
    - T. T. Durai, NKF
    - Shi Ming Yi (aka Goh kah Heng), Ren Ci
    - Kong Hee, CHC
    - Dennis Foo, Raffles Town Club

    Obviously these people are too smart for our society. Somemore they are supposedly in the business of saving souls and lives, except for Dennis.

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    ok, i feel that this thread needs to be moderated now.

    anyway personally i have nothing against church or religion.

    but with exception, i dun feel CHC operates like a church, more like a company and their super star is their pastor Kong and their worshippers worship him as if he is the god.

    anyway i also got some doubts:

    - are church even allow to setup affiliation, subsidiaries etc to engage in commercial activities like investment?
    - is the current cash donation process transparent? I understand from my gf who is a CHC member... that cash donation were made to an envelop... imagine 23K members... each donate $200 for example... they can easily undeclare XX millions, who will know? who is going to audit their cash donation?

    now it makes me wonder why i study so much and i can never earn as much as them. maybe i should take up bible studies or buddhism study then be a pastor or monk to start a church or temple.
    Last edited by sinned79; 27th June 2012 at 05:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinned79 View Post
    ok, i feel that this thread needs to be moderated now.

    anyway personally i have nothing against church or religion.

    but with exception, i dun feel CHC operates like a church, more like a company and their super star is their pastor Kong and their worshippers worship him as if he is the god.

    anyway i also got some doubts:

    - are church even allow to setup affiliation, subsidiaries etc to engage in commercial activities like investment?
    - is the current cash donation process transparent? I understand from my gf who is a CHC member... that cash donation were made to an envelop... imagine 23K members... each donate $200 for example... they can easily undeclare XX millions, who will know? who is going to audit their cash donation?

    now it makes me wonder why i study so much and i can never earn as much as them. maybe i should take up bible studies or buddhism study then be a pastor or monk to start a church or temple.
    definitely. my uncle and cousin once asked me to become a pastor so that we can start a funeral services company. i was totally -.-

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinned79 View Post
    now it makes me wonder why i study so much and i can never earn as much as them. maybe i should take up bible studies or buddhism study then be a pastor or monk to start a church or temple.
    What bothers me about some of the charismatic 'churches' is that the leaders never went to any Bible seminary, they just claim they are led by the holy spirit.
    Captain Jean Luc would've said.... w.... t.. f.... i.. t.... s...

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    I'm a chc member here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Angel View Post
    I'm a chc member here...
    would like to listen to your first hand experience.
    did he really preached about 20% tithe? i would love to get hold of the podcast of that message.

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