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    14 7.18%
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    22 11.28%
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    33 16.92%
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    46 23.59%
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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    That is also why I started this thread. Of course each of us have our own clients base. My wedding charges would be in the $1.5 onward now vs my rate of $800 when this thread was started. In fact my wedding jobs count drop from 24 that year to now only 6 this year. Do I regard doing less and earning lesser from wedding. Not a chance. It open other venues to make money, as it force me and free up the time for me to change, from wedding base to what now a day I mainly do commerical, cooperate to industrial stuffs. Pay better and offer more challenging jobs to me at lest.
    Thank you for your sharing.

    Here's my take :- just steadfast and hang-on to the believe that you will overcome this period. It will be a few months, and sooner or later, it will be back to the same numbers of job per year ( as usual ) -- if the increments is systematic, and follow the economic cycle and wages' trend -- trust me


    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    We have to remember the business aspect of things. We need to be creative and well paid to do a good job that is our own responsibilities. Time may have change but pricing rate which wedding are going for have not. In fact it getting cheaper that saviour of a wedding photographer's business is in question. Ironically the photographers now a day are getting more creative and good at their jobs.
    It is a sad fact that Singapore does NOT have a professional regulatory body that oversees Professional Wedding & Bridal Photography Industry, whereby there is a suggested price list and charges where members are advised to adhered to. This will help promote a healthy industry, and a pivotal factor for any meaningful long-term growth for any wedding photography business.

    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    There others will argue they need a start off and move to better rate in future. Then it will like my experience charge more see less customers. Once you transfix your market standing it is very hard to move farther up, the chance will be more the likelyhood that you fix yourself into that price bracket.
    Like i have mentioned before, changes must take place, prices must go up -- if NOT, expiration or obsolesce will take place, sooner or later.

    Be brave, and steadfast, make your calculated moves -- the rewards will be waiting for you.


    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    If the minimum price are such that allow for reasonable income, customer have no chance but to follow us in our pricing. But once a member of trade start to spoil the market other will follow due to the fear of losting business, then it a downward race to the profitless finish.
    Again, i have already illustrated that if there are MORE than half ( full-time professionals ) are charging above $2K per job ( Min. rate pkg ), then the market - trust me -- will see a transformation. Wedding Couples will be asking and thinking why are you NOT charging at $2K like the rest of the pros, and the pressure will be catching-up the minimum price, and letting the New Entrant doing the $1.5k rate and packages, while the Cream-of-the-crops will be quoting $8 - $15K per wedding assignments ... in 2010.

    I duuno about the rest of the Pros, but i am looking at that directions ...



    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    What is a reasonable income? Ask yourself these few questions I have when I start this tread.

    Do I feel I need to match my trademen cheap price that I know I can not make reasonable income if I am to do this trade full time?

    Do I make reasonable income that I have qualities in life and willing to be creative for my clients?

    Do I make reasonable income that my business can grow?

    Do I improve my market standing and help the trade as a whole with my "competitive" pricing?

    Many of us know the answers
    Yes, i have the Answers
    Last edited by Enchanted; 9th June 2007 at 12:31 PM.

  2. #122

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    If 50% of wedding photographers see this way, minimum $2k, then the force will be strong enough.

    But 50% is alot, and the rest of 50% will be shooting like hell, but they will eventually charge higher as they will felt they earn less and less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post

    It is a sad fact that Singapore does NOT have a professional regulator body that overseas Professional Wedding & Bridal Photography Industry, whereby there is a suggested price list and charges where members are advised to adhered to. This will help promote a healthy industry, and a pivotal factor for any meaningful long-term growth for any photo business.
    We do. It call PPAS (Professional Photographer Association Singapore) But we do need more professional member to make what the association's suggestion and guideline useful to all. In another word we need more members to make our voice louder

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    Again, i have already illustrated that if there are MORE than half ( full-time professionals ) are charging above $2K per job ( Min. rate pkg ), then the market - trust me -- will see a transformation. Wedding Couples will be asking and thinking why are you NOT charging at $2K like the rest of the pros, and the pressure will be catching-up the minimum price, and letting the New Entrant doing the $1.5k rate and packages, while the Cream-of-the-crops will be quoting $8 - $15K per wedding assignments ... in 2010.
    Half the professional photographer is not very encouraging frankly. Do you see the market place. Go to the bridal shops, check the price of part time and full time freelancers. There more freelance then professional like us so they influence the market place more then us. In fact I am not suprise most of us have spoken here in this thread are professional photographer charging $1k and above. Why? Because we are the one been hit the hardest.

    Customer idea of pricing is when they approach different photographer. From the broad range of prices they get quoted to the quality of work been presented. They will not think of paying professional photographers' rate for their wedding. Do bear in mind even some part time freelancer to do creative wedding works and charge cheaply. Just that the price for the work will not allow the same photographer to do this full time and remain in business.

    So it will turn into a bad cycle of charging cheap to start then the business go bust after some time but the customer mindset of the pricing in our wedding market remain. Then afterward new victim will do the same thing all over again.

    Then are we doom? Not if you market and place your pricing well in the beginning. So what I am trying to say is do not short change yourself at the beginning. It will never be easy and in fact hard to rise your quote once you price yourself wrongly. Why hard? It will need huge number of photographers (professional and freelance) to do the same at the same time to rise the low market pricing that we see today.

    So it is our best interest to talk and educate those individual that who wanted to start their photography career at the wrongly foot. By pricing their work cheaply so they think that they are been "competitive" in the market place where in fact they are killing the market.

    But I do like the picture you painted. Hopeful it will be true may be just may be I do more wedding in that future Another experience I like to share. When I have customer whom I charge $800.00 before recommended their friends to me. When learn I had increase my rates none of them sign up with me. So now a day only non refered customer whom like my work will sign up.
    Last edited by singscott; 9th June 2007 at 12:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    We do. It call PPAS (Professional Photographer Association Singapore) But we do need more professional member to make what the association's suggestion and guideline useful to all. In another word we need more members to make our voice louder
    Correct me if i am wrong, but the PPAS is more biased towards *Commercial, Advertising, and Industrial Photographers and Producers, rather than Wedding & Bridal Portraits Specialists.

    And i believe that the Chairman, policy-makers, directors and/or Majority of the Members' interest will be more into their specific specialization, which i have mentioned *above, rather than Wedding & Bridals Works ...

    For i have a drift that doing anything Weddings to these Non-Wedding Practitioners are but a "lowly jobs" and "only-do-it-when-times-are-hard", or when the economic climate are bad, or when Commercial Jobs are scarce, etc -- whereby they turned to wedding & related jobs as "Supplementary" incomes ... which personally, i find it hard to accept, becos such mentality and practice actually leaves "aftermath" problems when the Economy and Business climate turned or improved vastly for the better ... leaving the Wedding Specialists picking-up the pieces, and re-starting the 'pricing structure' again ... if you know what i am trying to say here.

    My say would be -- WE still NEED a dedicated organization/association that cater just for the Wedding & Bridal Professionals ( Definition:at least 80% income or revenue must come from this field - min. 4 out of 5 jobs ).

    Any Members from PPAS want to comment on these thoughts ?



    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    Half the professional photographer is not very encouraging frankly. Do you see the market place. Go to the bridal shops, check the price of part time and full time freelancers. There more freelance then professional like us so they influence the market place more then us. In fact I am not surprise most of us have spoken here in this thread are professional photographer charging $1k and above. Why? Because we are the one been hit the hardest
    I see your point ... but the truth is that are there REALLY ALL the so-called Full-time Professionals here ( in CS ) or out-there, charging at $1K or above ( in 2007 ) ??
    I'm not even quoting and asking the Pros to act and quote at $2K yet ... which i still believe that based on many indicators, it must be at $1,800 or above ...

    How could We call Ourselves Professionals doing Professional Works and quoting Professionals Fees and Packages, but in actual fact, WE are not !! ..

    Some give excuses about "passing-the-savings-back-to-the-clients", while others blame it on the "freelance-market-that-spoils-the-professional-market" lah blah blah ..., and some even quoted as saying "I-am-Full-time-Pro-but-I-am-happy-charging-what-i-am-comfortable", which means below Professional Market Rate, aka Professional Under-Cutters., isn't HE as guilty as the freelancers whom spoiled the market analogy ? hahahaha ...

    I can go on, and on, and on ... as long as those who believed that they are Professionals per say, then please behave, practice, and quote prices like One.



    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    Customer idea of pricing is when they approach different photographer. From the broad range of prices they get quoted to the quality of work been presented. They will not think of paying professional photographers' rate for their wedding. Do bear in mind even some part time freelancer to do creative wedding works and charge cheaply. Just that the price for the work will not allow the same photographer to do this full time and remain in business
    Seriously speaking, if Professional are really concerned about what the freelances or Part-timers market are doing, and are directly affected by it, then i would suggest The so-called Pros stop working in the Professional realm and league, for they deserved less, ... looking and fighting over crumbs and peanuts with Part-timers or Moonlighters are a shame and insult.

    Being Pros means looking at your targeted and niche market and work towards personal and company's long-term objective(s) ... NOT about fighting with 'little guys' doing kick-boxing and clowning around at wedding events.



    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    So it will turn into a bad cycle of charging cheap to start then the business go bust after some time but the customer mindset of the pricing in our wedding market remain. Then afterward new victim will do the same thing all over again
    Same as above -- No Worry.



    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    Then are we doom? Not if you market and place your pricing well in the beginning. So what I am trying to say is do not short change yourself at the beginning. It will never be easy and in fact hard to rise your quote once you price yourself wrongly. Why hard? It will need huge number of photographers (professional and freelance) to do the same at the same time to rise the low market pricing that we see today.

    So it is our best interest to talk and educate those individual that who wanted to start their photography career at the wrongly foot. By pricing their work cheaply so they think that they are been "competitive" in the market place where in fact they are killing the market
    Yes, good Pointer here -- absolutely true.

    Starts good, continue better, end best !

    Starts bad, continue miserable, end dead !



    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    But I do like the picture you painted. Hopeful it will be true may be just may be I do more wedding in that future
    I don't believe in just hope ... for i have faith that it will going to happen and put to past !

    I am just asking for those whom shared the same idealogy and vision with me, join the 'crusade' and make it better for all the Wedding Pros and Full-time Producers in our beloved homeland called Singapore.


    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    Another experience I like to share. When I have customer whom I charge $800.00 before recommended their friends to me. When learn I had increase my rates none of them sign up with me. So now a day only non referred customer whom like my work will sign up.
    Understood, been there -- one of the solution : Venture into new sources, not just the referral lots !

    Good luck and stay Focus !!
    Last edited by Enchanted; 9th June 2007 at 09:31 PM.

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    Have you guys ever thought of professional/semi pro. photographers imported from JB into Singapore to shoot wedding at MR500 - 600 ( S$230-280 ) by Bridal Salon. That is why we are loosing out.

    re: PPA, emailed them, no reply !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesong View Post
    Have you guys ever thought of professional/semi pro. photographers imported from JB into Singapore to shoot wedding at MR500 - 600 ( S$230-280 ) by Bridal Salon. That is why we are loosing out.

    re: PPA, emailed them, no reply !

    hahahaha!

    I have already covered this Point, sometimes back.

    I'll repeat again ...

    [1] "Sell the Singapore Brand" -- I have been Promoting locally and international thru websites, medias, and direct contacts, and 'Selling' the concept of buying into Singaporean Wedding Photographers analogy and reasons, etc. BTW, it be back-up by facts and statistics, not just bad-mouthing or back-stabbing sakes.

    In the past 5 years, i believed it has some successes and the results are encouraging.

    Simply put -- Professional Singaporean Wedding Photographer / Photography are World-Class and The BEST in the region, and paying a little premium for PSWP is paying for not just for a piece-of-mind, proven track records and consistance quality, and most importantly "Made-in-Singapore" -- the Singapore Brand
    Don't you know, malaysian wedding photogs are always looking at Singapore wedding photography for directions and cue ?

    Of course i am Pro Singapore ! ( Just Look at my signature below ... hahahahahaha )



    [2] Singaporean Couples who took a total bridal & photo packages form Bridal salon and shops are but mostly budget spenders, therefore being bridal shops operators, they must cut down their costs, by offering a cheaper alternatives -- like a malaysian photogs, rather than a Singaporean Pros ( or even a Taiwanese guy ).

    From the Point of Profiteering and Business POV, it is a normal practice. But if a Singaporean Wedding Photographer who is still looking at this segments for their jobs, then be prepared to accept the conditions and stigma that comes with it -- meaning poor pay, low morale, unreasonable customers' requests, lack of respect from the Salon owner and wedding couples, "high risk-low return" associated problems, etc.



    [3] Changed the Situations and Status Quo : Learn to market and promote oneself and services, look into strategy alliances and groupings, upgrading ones' skill level and knowledge and be the Best, Re-education thru mentorship or academic trainings, and last but not least, taking on secondary but related jobs ( example, photography instructor, Di Artist, studio assistance, etc. )

    [4] ...
    Last edited by Enchanted; 9th June 2007 at 10:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    Correct me if i am wrong, but the PPAS is more biased towards *Commercial, Advertising, and Industrial Photographers and Producers, rather than Wedding & Bridal Portraits Specialists.

    And i believe that the Chairman, policy-makers, directors and/or Majority of the Members' interest will be more into their specific specialization, which i have mentioned *above, rather than Wedding & Bridals Works ...
    Who told you so? PPAS guideline is that a professional photographer is someone who in any photography trade as a full time photographer for more then two years and 70% of his total combine income come from services of the photography trade. We more then welcome photographers from wedding & bridal works. In fact some of the committee members do wedding photography. How do I know? I am the chairperson for membership committee in PPAS. So if you do not have the fact please dun get yourselve in trouble by sent out misinformation like the one above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    For i have a drift that doing anything Weddings to these Non-Wedding Practitioners are but a "lowly jobs" and "only-do-it-when-times-are-hard", or when the economic climate are bad, or when Commercial Jobs are scarce, etc -- whereby they turned to wedding & related jobs as "Supplementary" incomes ... which personally, i find it hard to accept, becos such mentality and practice actually leaves "aftermath" problems when the Economy and Business climate turned or improved vastly for the better ... leaving the Wedding Specialists picking-up the pieces, and re-starting the 'pricing structure' again ... if you know what i am trying to say here.

    My say would be -- WE still NEED a dedicated organization/association that cater just for the Wedding & Bridal Professionals ( Definition:at least 80% income or revenue must come from this field - min. 4 out of 5 jobs ).

    Any Members from PPAS want to comment on these thoughts ?
    To clarify I have not in any way say I am doing and other people are doing of what you state above. Also that people like me dun not look down on wedding professional photographer. You seen to like to put words in people mouth and do selective reading or misread people intention.

    Do you really want to listern? Well I am PPAS member are you interested in my throughts. Then why things come out of you kind of offending to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    I see your point ... but the truth is that are there REALLY ALL the so-called Full-time Professionals here ( in CS ) or out-there, charging at $1K or above ( in 2007 ) ??
    I'm not even quoting and asking the Pros to act and quote at $2K yet ... which i still believe that based on many indicators, it must be at $1,800 or above ...

    How could We call Ourselves Professionals doing Professional Works and quoting Professionals Fees and Packages, but in actual fact, WE are not !! ..

    Some give excuses about "passing-the-savings-back-to-the-clients", while others blame it on the "freelance-market-that-spoils-the-professional-market" lah blah blah ..., and some even quoted as saying "I-am-Full-time-Pro-but-I-am-happy-charging-what-i-am-comfortable", which means below Professional Market Rate, aka Professional Under-Cutters., isn't HE as guilty as the freelancers whom spoiled the market analogy ? hahahaha ...
    Ha I wonder where you get your figures? Can show us how you come about $1.8k? How many professional wedding photographer do you know? Of course there professional photographers gulity of spoiling the market I do not say they are not to be blame. Where did I push the blame on freelance only? I say they need to be educate in good business practise. As there more freelances in the market so they will influence the market more. And please do not be clueless there only one market. That market is use by both professional (the so call "professional" that you do not think they are or real professional that you think you are) and freelance (mean doing this part time and 70% of their income do not come from photography trade) to do this business of providing singapore wedding photography services. You see. That what you good at putting words in people comment by not really understanding them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    I can go on, and on, and on ... as long as those who believed that they are Professionals per say, then please behave, practice, and quote prices like One.

    Seriously speaking, if Professional are really concerned about what the freelances or Part-timers market are doing, and are directly affected by it, then i would suggest The so-called Pros stop working in the Professional realm and league, for they deserved less, ... looking and fighting over crumbs and peanuts with Part-timers or Moonlighters are a shame and insult.

    Being Pros means looking at your targeted and niche market and work towards personal and company's long-term objective(s) ... NOT about fighting with 'little guys' doing kick-boxing and clowning around at wedding events.
    The statement is the most insulting comment I even heard from you to date. There only one market place. You can say you only serve the best paying clients out there. But saying freelenacer can not or will not "fight" (for me I like word like compete but you understand fight better) in that market of yours. I say grow up. I seen some of the best photography works from freelancers or even amateur, wedding or otherwise. If you do not even respect your competitors and your fellow trademen. What give you the rights to talk about this subject?

    Before you like comment farther. Since you say you charge this x amount and my situation is such and such. May be you like to invite us to your place of business and show us your success. heck if you can even show off the high profile niche clients of your to us How about that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    Yes, good Pointer here -- absolutely true.

    Starts good, continue better, end best !

    Starts bad, continue miserable, end dead !
    All my points in my previous posting was the build up to that good pointer but you seen to be blind to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    I don't believe in just hope ... for i have faith that it will going to happen and put to past !

    I am just asking for those whom shared the same idealogy and vision with me, join the 'crusade' and make it better for all the Wedding Pros and Full-time Producers in our beloved homeland called Singapore.

    Understood, been there -- one of the solution : Venture into new sources, not just the referral lots !

    Good luck and stay Focus !!
    Oh future fearless leader. I hope you make it too. From the comments you posted I hope you and your future comrade well. But you are getting on my nerves. If you have nothing constructive to say or experience to share, but just commenting on other people comment please start your own thread. I promise I would not make single sound in that thread of yours unless there comments insulting to me, but even that I will just refer you to the moderators.
    Last edited by singscott; 9th June 2007 at 11:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesong View Post
    Have you guys ever thought of professional/semi pro. photographers imported from JB into Singapore to shoot wedding at MR500 - 600 ( S$230-280 ) by Bridal Salon. That is why we are loosing out.

    re: PPA, emailed them, no reply !
    Can I know whom you e-mail to?

    Just for your information. PPAS can not stop JB photographer coming here to steal our market share. As our market is a open market, every one have right to do business here. We can however educate customer in our sale patch of the different in JB guys and our more creative local guys.


    Only if there more wedding photographer members in PPAS that willing to contribute their time in serving and protect their local market. Then PPAS can do something about. But even that there no way to stop other people trying to come here to steal the local market share. It might suprise you there not only JB photographers coming here, there the australian, euporeans, american and of course taiwanese.

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    To: singscott,

    I am not against you nor anyone who has made contribution to this trade, market or profession.

    What i would want to point out is that being in the leadership position in a repectable organisation, why would someone whom have served or is still active in the wedding market, doing the below market rate ( or even the world's market average rate ) ? ...

    hahahaha ... if members from professional photographic body or organisation practices below professional market rate, than what could i, who is a nobody, has the rights to say or comment about that ... hahahaha.

    It looks like individuals or Groupings who have seen the situation, and wanted changes, must take their careers and livinghood into their own hands and chart their own courses and pricings ... we can't expect or take cue from Organisation or Professional Bodies or Communities, whom themselves may be guilty or deem as Profesional under-cutters -- charging at below $1K when it should be $2K, etc ( This is a hypotical example ).


    For those members in other Photographic Bodies or organisation, or who are into wedding photography, what your say or view on this -- About professional Wedding photography rate should be ( as of 2007 ), and do you make comparison just the local maket or on the world as a whole ?

    For those passionate Wedding photographers, whom are not just only concerned about their carft and arts, but at the end of the day, believed that a good return for their efforts and dedication is equally important. Therefore, one should starts asking if Hotel banquets prices are going up every year, petrol and fuel prices are going up every quarters, and if rentals are tripling this year, what and how should a Wedding Photographer cum business person, see the issues about the "flooring price" of REALISTIC Professional fees and rates ..

    Your comments are needed and welcome ...

    Last edited by Enchanted; 9th June 2007 at 11:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    hahahaha!

    I have already covered this Point, sometimes back.

    I'll repeat again ...

    [1] "Sell the Singapore Brand" -- I have been Promoting locally and international thru websites, medias, and direct contacts, and 'Selling' the concept of buying into Singaporean Wedding Photographers analogy and reasons, etc. BTW, it be back-up by facts and statistics, not just bad-mouthing or back-stabbing sakes.

    In the past 5 years, i believed it has some successes and the results are encouraging.

    Simply put -- Professional Singaporean Wedding Photographer / Photography are World-Class and The BEST in the region, and paying a little premium for PSWP is paying for not just for a piece-of-mind, proven track records and consistance quality, and most importantly "Made-in-Singapore" -- the Singapore Brand
    Don't you know, malaysian wedding photogs are always looking at Singapore wedding photography for directions and cue ?

    Of course i am Pro Singapore ! ( Just Look at my signature below ... hahahahahaha )



    [2] Singaporean Couples who took a total bridal & photo packages form Bridal salon and shops are but mostly budget spenders, therefore being bridal shops operators, they must cut down their costs, by offering a cheaper alternatives -- like a malaysian photogs, rather than a Singaporean Pros ( or even a Taiwanese guy ).

    From the Point of Profiteering and Business POV, it is a normal practice. But if a Singaporean Wedding Photographer who is still looking at this segments for their jobs, then be prepared to accept the conditions and stigma that comes with it -- meaning poor pay, low morale, unreasonable customers' requests, lack of respect from the Salon owner and wedding couples, "high risk-low return" associated problems, etc.



    [3] Changed the Situations and Status Quo : Learn to market and promote oneself and services, look into strategy alliances and groupings, upgrading ones' skill level and knowledge and be the Best, Re-education thru mentorship or academic trainings, and last but not least, taking on secondary but related jobs ( example, photography instructor, Di Artist, studio assistance, etc. )

    [4] ...
    Ok this is good I like to see more this kind of stuff. Please stuck to this type of post may be people like you better. Future Fearless Leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    Ok this is good I like to see more this kind of stuff. Please stuck to this type of post may be people like you better. Future Fearless Leader
    Soory for the OT ...


    I mean, if people like to hear what they wanted to hear, then we are living in the dark ages ...

    Btw, i have high regards in you ... that's why i have 'communicated' with ya, see ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesong View Post
    Have you guys ever thought of professional/semi pro. photographers imported from JB into Singapore to shoot wedding at MR500 - 600 ( S$230-280 ) by Bridal Salon. That is why we are loosing out.

    re: PPA, emailed them, no reply !
    James, you are right.

    So how is your Burma covers collection coming along.. HAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    To: singscott,

    I am not against you nor anyone who has made contribution to this trade, maket or profession.

    What i would want to point out is that being in the leadership position in a repectable organisation, why would someone whom have served or is still active in the wedding market, doing the below market rate ( or even the world's market average rate ) ? ...

    hahahaha ... if members from professional photographic body or organisation practices below professional market rate, than what could i, who is a nobody, has the rights to say or comment about that ... hahahaha.

    It looks like individuals or Groupings who have seen the situation, and wanted changes, must take their careers and livinghood into their own hands and chart their own courses and pricings ... we can't expect or take cue from Organisation or Professional Bodies or Communities, whom themselves may be guilty or deem as Profesional under-cutters -- charging at below $1K when it should be $2K, etc ( This is a hypotical example ).
    Hai I just praise you then I after I post I have to see this. I did I say I am under charging? That what you say. If you open your eyes big enough I have state my current rate is S$1.5K and above. You only prove that you do selective reading. Who are you to state it should be S$2k. Please provide figures that show this should the right amount. What you do to your own business is your own business. But use as a yard stick for labeling other is as low as one can get.

    That where we are different I give poeple the chance to see thing in different light and they make their own choice. On your case you just come up figures and thing you think is right and force it down people's throat.

    If I seem to you that I am under charging so be it. But the comment that PPAS encourage under charging or run by people who undercharge is stepping over the line. There more people involve in the association beside me. I will note this insult and reserve the right to act on it legally. Forum allow freedom of speech, but does not mean you can step over the line and insult this organization that trying to help all professional photographers in singapore.

    All the photographers involve helping the association desire better. Please bear in mind you only talk big. We do the real work in helping the local professional photographers. The thing here to remember is that we do not get a single cent or benefit from the association. But doing it only because the passion to see our market grow.
    Last edited by singscott; 10th June 2007 at 12:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    For those members in other Photographic Bodies or organisation, or who are into wedding photography, what your say or view on this -- About professional Wedding photography rate should be ( as of 2007 ), and do you make comparison just the local maket or on the world as a whole ?

    For those passionate Wedding photographers, whom are not just only concerned about their carft and arts, but at the end of the day, believed that a good return for their efforts and dedication is equally important. Therefore, one should starts asking if Hotel banquets prices are going up every year, petrol and fuel prices are going up every quarters, and if rentals are tripling this year, what and how should a Wedding Photographer cum business person, see the issues about the "flooring price" of REALISTIC Professional fees and rates ..

    Your comments are needed and welcome ...



    QUESTIONS:

    For those members in other Photographic Bodies or organisation, or who are into wedding photography, what your say or view on this -- About professional Wedding photography rate should be ( as of 2007 ), and do you make comparison just the local maket or on the world as a whole ?

    For those passionate Wedding photographers, whom are not just only concerned about their carft and arts, but at the end of the day, believed that a good return for their efforts and dedication is equally important. Therefore, one should starts asking if Hotel banquets prices are going up every year, petrol and fuel prices are going up every quarters, and if rentals are tripling this year, what and how should a Wedding Photographer cum business person, see the issues about the "flooring price" of REALISTIC Professional fees and rates ..

    Your comments are needed and welcome ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    QUESTIONS:

    For those members in other Photographic Bodies or organisation, or who are into wedding photography, what your say or view on this -- About professional Wedding photography rate should be ( as of 2007 ), and do you make comparison just the local maket or on the world as a whole ?

    For those passionate Wedding photographers, whom are not just only concerned about their carft and arts, but at the end of the day, believed that a good return for their efforts and dedication is equally important. Therefore, one should starts asking if Hotel banquets prices are going up every year, petrol and fuel prices are going up every quarters, and if rentals are tripling this year, what and how should a Wedding Photographer cum business person, see the issues about the "flooring price" of REALISTIC Professional fees and rates ..

    Your comments are needed and welcome ...


    Are you asking me Do it nicely may be I will tell what my throught. But then again I afraid I might be misquoted again.

    Oh you still have not retract that comment on PPAS. Hope you do not take me lightly on this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott View Post
    Are you asking me Do it nicely may be I will tell what my throught. But then again I afraid I might be misquoted again.

    Oh you still have not retract that comment on PPAS. Hope you do not take me lightly on this matter.

    To: singcott,

    This is the statement i'd made in post #124

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    Correct me if i am wrong, but the PPAS is more biased towards *Commercial, Advertising, and Industrial Photographers and Producers, rather than Wedding & Bridal Portraits Specialists.

    And i believe that the Chairman, policy-makers, directors and/or Majority of the Members' interest will be more into their specific specialization, which i have mentioned *above, rather than Wedding & Bridals Works ...

    For i have a drift that doing anything Weddings to these Non-Wedding Practitioners are but a "lowly jobs" and "only-do-it-when-times-are-hard", or when the economic climate are bad, or when Commercial Jobs are scarce, etc -- whereby they turned to wedding & related jobs as "Supplementary" incomes ... which personally, i find it hard to accept, becos such mentality and practice actually leaves "aftermath" problems when the Economy and Business climate turned or improved vastly for the better ... leaving the Wedding Specialists picking-up the pieces, and re-starting the 'pricing structure' again ... if you know what i am trying to say here.

    My say would be -- WE still NEED a dedicated organization/association that cater just for the Wedding & Bridal Professionals ( Definition:at least 80% income or revenue must come from this field - min. 4 out of 5 jobs ).

    Any Members from PPAS want to comment on these thoughts ?
    - - - - - - - Cut & paste Post : #124 - - - - - - - - -


    Firstly, if i have offended anyone, or mis-quoted anyone , or giving wrong or false information or impression to anyone, based on my above personal observation and opinioned remarks on PPAS, then i am sorry and apologized.

    Secondly, from your rebuttal and addresses to my concerns and postings, in #127, i have understood and appreciated your views, principal and standing in such matters. Thank you.

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    Who told you so? PPAS guideline is that a professional photographer is someone who in any photography trade as a full time photographer for more then two years and 70% of his total combine income come from services of the photography trade. We more then welcome photographers from wedding & bridal works. In fact some of the committee members do wedding photography. How do I know? I am the chairperson for membership committee in PPAS. So if you do not have the fact please dun get yourselve in trouble by sent out misinformation like the one above.
    - - - - Cut-&-Paste Post : #127 - - - - -

    Thank you for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post


    Again, i have already illustrated that if there are MORE than half ( full-time professionals ) are charging above $2K per job ( Min. rate pkg ), then the market - trust me -- will see a transformation. Wedding Couples will be asking and thinking why are you NOT charging at $2K like the rest of the pros, and the pressure will be catching-up the minimum price, and letting the New Entrant doing the $1.5k rate and packages, while the Cream-of-the-crops will be quoting $8 - $15K per wedding assignments ... in 2010.
    just one point...you really think ANYONE will pay $8-15K for an actual day photographer? You can pay for about 20 tables at that price. Lol...if people willingly to pay, i also dun dare to shoot.

    Dun flame me, but what you are insulating amounts to a cartel operation whereby people agreed on prices to influence market prices. That is erm, illegal i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    Thank you for your sharing.

    It is a sad fact that Singapore does NOT have a professional regulatory body that oversees Professional Wedding & Bridal Photography Industry, whereby there is a suggested price list and charges where members are advised to adhered to. This will help promote a healthy industry, and a pivotal factor for any meaningful long-term growth for any wedding photography business.

    Again, i have already illustrated that if there are MORE than half ( full-time professionals ) are charging above $2K per job ( Min. rate pkg ), then the market - trust me -- will see a transformation. Wedding Couples will be asking and thinking why are you NOT charging at $2K like the rest of the pros, and the pressure will be catching-up the minimum price, and letting the New Entrant doing the $1.5k rate and packages, while the Cream-of-the-crops will be quoting $8 - $15K per wedding assignments ... in 2010.

    I duuno about the rest of the Pros, but i am looking at that directions ...
    Hey Enchanted, agree with quite a lot of your points. Just wanted to say though, I'm not sure if there is any country in the world where there is a body which regulates prices for wedding photographers. There are organizations which gives pricing guidelines, but I think regulating price is really hard because we all have very different financial situations and appetites for risks.

    For example, it is easy for me to take huge risks because I don't have family to support. Worst case i just get no bookings and fold the business but I think for a photographer who needs to support families it's tough to take that sort of risks. Like most businesses, it's hard to make big gains in professional photography without taking big risks IMO.

    As far as pushing up the rates, to 8-15K mark, don't think you'll need to wait till 2010. My gut feel is that there's the possiblity of a big jump in rates by the end of the month to those sort of levels. Just a gut feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosycatus View Post
    just one point...you really think ANYONE will pay $8-15K for an actual day photographer? You can pay for about 20 tables at that price. Lol...if people willingly to pay, i also dun dare to shoot.

    Dun flame me, but what you are insulating amounts to a cartel operation whereby people agreed on prices to influence market prices. That is erm, illegal i think.
    Yes, I do think there are enough that would pay the $8-$15k, but you are right, the pressure is immense in the Singapore market.

    As far as a wedding cartel...not likely. I think the wedding photography industry will probably never be able to formally group together, in terms of pricing etc, because the barrier to entry to this industry is very low. I personally doubt a collective movement of prices in a concerted effort will ever be possible. If it comes about, it would likely be a result of external factors like rising rent, or taxes, improving economy etc. At the end of the day, it's just wedding photography. And the sad thing is that we're actually fighting over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    To: singcott,

    This is the statement i'd made in post #124

    - - - - - - - Cut & paste Post : #124 - - - - - - - - -
    Correct me if i am wrong, but the PPAS is more biased towards *Commercial, Advertising, and Industrial Photographers and Producers, rather than Wedding & Bridal Portraits Specialists.

    And i believe that the Chairman, policy-makers, directors and/or Majority of the Members' interest will be more into their specific specialization, which i have mentioned *above, rather than Wedding & Bridals Works ...

    For i have a drift that doing anything Weddings to these Non-Wedding Practitioners are but a "lowly jobs" and "only-do-it-when-times-are-hard", or when the economic climate are bad, or when Commercial Jobs are scarce, etc -- whereby they turned to wedding & related jobs as "Supplementary" incomes ... which personally, i find it hard to accept, becos such mentality and practice actually leaves "aftermath" problems when the Economy and Business climate turned or improved vastly for the better ... leaving the Wedding Specialists picking-up the pieces, and re-starting the 'pricing structure' again ... if you know what i am trying to say here.

    My say would be -- WE still NEED a dedicated organization/association that cater just for the Wedding & Bridal Professionals ( Definition:at least 80% income or revenue must come from this field - min. 4 out of 5 jobs ).

    Any Members from PPAS want to comment on these thoughts ?
    - - - - - - - Cut & paste Post : #124 - - - - - - - - -


    Firstly, if i have offended anyone, or mis-quoted anyone , or giving wrong or false information or impression to anyone, based on my above personal observation and opinioned remarks on PPAS, then i am sorry and apologized.

    Secondly, from your rebuttal and addresses to my concerns and postings, in #127, i have understood and appreciated your views, principal and standing in such matters. Thank you.

    - - - - Cut-&-Paste Post : #127 - - - - -
    Who told you so? PPAS guideline is that a professional photographer is someone who in any photography trade as a full time photographer for more then two years and 70% of his total combine income come from services of the photography trade. We more then welcome photographers from wedding & bridal works. In fact some of the committee members do wedding photography. How do I know? I am the chairperson for membership committee in PPAS. So if you do not have the fact please dun get yourselve in trouble by sent out misinformation like the one above.
    - - - - Cut-&-Paste Post : #127 - - - - -

    Thank you for sharing.

    [ *You might want the MOD to remove/delete the above, previous or any deem offending paras ]
    OK I will accept that explanation.

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