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    Default SCOOT has trouble taking off

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_807173.html

    A sign of things to come? Trying to top Tiger?

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    Maybe Glenn Ong and Vernetta Lopez did a live show on board to pass time

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    Maybe their broadcasting equipment cause problem with the Plane's Navigation equipment....

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    Kudos to SIAEC Line Maintenance (LM) engineers and Scoot aircrew for delaying and not allowing the B772 to takeoff in view of safety considerations despite possible immerse pressure from the higher management to clear the aircraft for flight ASAP.

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    Trying to top Tiger?
    You meant the Tiger that SIA has a majority stake in?
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    The aircraft should have more then enough ground time for the maintance crew to clear the aircraft fit to fly. Anyone knows what's the technical problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by airfins View Post
    The aircraft should have more then enough ground time for the maintance crew to clear the aircraft fit to fly. Anyone knows what's the technical problem?
    Scoot replaced TVs with iPads. They forgot to recharge the iPad batteries. Need few hours to recharge.

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    chief pilot scoot was the captain..he's higher management too probably only report to CEO :P

    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    Kudos to SIAEC Line Maintenance (LM) engineers and Scoot aircrew for delaying and not allowing the B772 to takeoff in view of safety considerations despite possible immerse pressure from the higher management to clear the aircraft for flight ASAP.


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    Scoot replaced TVs with iPads. They forgot to recharge the iPad batteries. Need few hours to recharge.
    Aiyoh... see lah... never use Android...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai

    Aiyoh... see lah... never use Android...
    To many Ice Cream Sandwich later pilot stomach ache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airfins View Post
    The aircraft should have more then enough ground time for the maintance crew to clear the aircraft fit to fly. Anyone knows what's the technical problem?
    Whatever it is that was inoperative (inop), one can assume it might might be serious enough to possibly compromise airworthiness since it was not authorised to be dispatched for revenue service as per requirements for operations under a Master Minimum Equipment List (MMEL) / Minimum Equipment List (MEL) flight conditions and restrictions?

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    chief pilot scoot was the captain..he's higher management too probably only report to CEO :P
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    true. very stressful. knowing that everyone is watching. many VVIP in the plane. reporters blah blah blah..and SYD airport waiting for them.

    if i didn't remember wrongly, SQ inaugural 380 flight to NRT diverted due weather. imagine the stress the pilots must be under. but never ever underestimate mother nature. if it's not safe to land and need to divert. you have to do the right thing i guess..of course i know it's easier said that done.

    but like what you said..if the MEL doesn't allow dispatch..you simply don't dispatch. simple as that. no 2 ways about it.

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    Whatever it is that was inoperative (inop), one can assume it might might be serious enough to possibly compromise airworthiness since it was not authorised to be dispatched for revenue service as per requirements for operations under a Master Minimum Equipment List (MMEL) / Minimum Equipment List (MEL) flight conditions and restrictions?


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    Scoot, pretty dumb name, akin to the scooter. Scoot means go or leave quickly but here its the opposite. All the time to plan for an event, where are the advance checks. the contingency plan, backup to ensure everything run efficiently, smoothly & on time? Perhaps my expectations are too high? Hope the airlines is not told to scoot the industry eventually....

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    Scoot's maiden flight takes off after 90-minute delay

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    Recently SQ A380 always kana AOG .... 2-3 time per month?? Just last week SQ322 kana again...
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    If it is safety related, then safety is first.

    But I have encountered such delay before on a non-budget flight.

    If it is something else like having to wait for a VIP, they will never tell you the real reason.

    In some other countries, the pilot got no choice, because the VIP may be belonging to ROYAL family of that country. If the pilots fly off without the VIP, their heads will roll literally. It is called Lèse-Majesté.

    So the VIP takes his or her own sweet time, the whole plane waits. The pilot can only announce "technical reason" or "safety reason". If he announces that all the plane's passengers have to wait because so&so Royalty or Minister is late, then the pilot is a dead man.

    It is Scoot's maiden flight, so it is nearly impossible for the engineering preparedness of the plane to be overlooked.
    Plane will be in excellent condition.
    More likely a VIP who was very late.
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    you step down? become standby? quite a few of my friends kena..si bei sian

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    Recently SQ A380 always kana AOG .... 2-3 time per month?? Just last week SQ322 kana again...

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    highly unlikely la..the aircraft was already taxying to the runway and then turn back to gate..unless you saying they forgot to pick up the VIP

    aircraft may be fault free before dispatch but faults can arise anytime during the flight. my guess would be that they had an EICAS msg which indicated to them a problem which forced them to refer to the MEL which says maintenance required..so bo pian have to go back to gate..

    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    If it is safety related, then safety is first.

    But I have encountered such delay before on a non-budget flight.

    If it is something else like having to wait for a VIP, they will never tell you the real reason.

    In some other countries, the pilot got no choice, because the VIP may be belonging to ROYAL family of that country. If the pilots fly off without the VIP, their heads will roll literally. It is called Lèse-Majesté.

    So the VIP takes his or her own sweet time, the whole plane waits. The pilot can only announce "technical reason" or "safety reason". If he announces that all the plane's passengers have to wait because so&so Royalty or Minister is late, then the pilot is a dead man.

    It is Scoot's maiden flight, so it is nearly impossible for the engineering preparedness of the plane to be overlooked.
    Plane will be in excellent condition.
    More likely a VIP who was very late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyday View Post
    but like what you said..if the MEL doesn't allow dispatch..you simply don't dispatch. simple as that. no 2 ways about it.
    Wait till you have multiple inop equipments on the Configuration Deviation List (CDL) and Minimum Equipment List (MEL) with all the ANDs..., BUTs..., IFs..., NORs..., NOTs..., ONLYs..., ORs...,WITHs... You'll find interpreting electrical or electronics circuit diagrams with complex logic gates in them much more simpler.

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyday View Post
    highly unlikely la..the aircraft was already taxying to the runway and then turn back to gate..unless you saying they forgot to pick up the VIP

    aircraft may be fault free before dispatch but faults can arise anytime during the flight. my guess would be that they had an EICAS msg which indicated to them a problem which forced them to refer to the MEL which says maintenance required..so bo pian have to go back to gate..
    By then with anti-collision beacons flashing, Minimum Equipment List (MEL) would no longer be legally binding? The Pilot In Command (PIC) / Pilot Flying (PF) does have to options to refer to the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) / Aircraft Operating Manual (AOM), Flight Crew Operating Manual (FCOM) / Flight Crew Training Manual (FCTM), Quick Reference Handbook (QRH) and initiate an abnormal procedure as per checklist if necessary? Sorry, me is depot maintenance sai kang warrior not involve with flight ops.
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    before engine start..must check status messages
    after engine start till take off roll..status messages no need to check..but EICAS messages still need to check MEL

    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    Wait till you have multiple inop equipments on the Configuration Deviation List (CDL) and Minimum Equipment List (MEL) with all the ANDs..., BUTs..., IFs..., NORs..., NOTs..., ONLYs..., ORs...,WITHs... You'll find interpreting electrical or electronics circuit diagrams with complex logic gates in them much more simpler.


    By then with anti-collision beacons flashing, Minimum Equipment List (MEL) would no longer be legally binding? The Pilot In Command (PIC) / Pilot Flying (PF) does have to options to refer to the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) / Aircraft Operating Manual (AOM), Flight Crew Operating Manual (FCOM) / Flight Crew Training Manual (FCTM), Quick Reference Handbook (QRH) and initiate an abnormal procedure as per checklist if necessary? Sorry, me is depot maintenance sai kang warrior not involve with flight ops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyday View Post
    before engine start..must check status messages
    after engine start till take off roll..status messages no need to check..but EICAS messages still need to check MEL
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