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    SINGAPORE: The Land Transport Authority (LTA) said it would synchronise the timings of the traffic lights at an area where two accidents happened within a span of just two weeks.

    The traffic signals at the junction of Rochor Road and Victoria Street and the pedestrian crossing linking Bugis Junction and Bugis Village will now turn green at about the same time.

    LTA said it was implementing the change, based on suggestions from the public, describing it as an "added precautionary measure".

    The junction of Rochor Road and Victoria Street was the scene of two accidents that saw three dead and three injured.

    The first accident on May 12 involved a speeding Ferrari, while the second one on May 26 involved a Lexus. Both cars crashed into taxis.

    Both accidents happened in the wee hours on a Saturday and involved cars travelling in the same direction.

    Some suggested that the straight road and the close proximity between the sets of traffic lights at two different stretches - they are about 100m apart - encouraged reckless drivers to speed in the wee hours, to try and pass the consecutive sets of lights before they turn red.

    Those Channel NewsAsia spoke with, however, said it may be a problem with the positioning of the traffic lights at the intersection, which may be confusing to drivers.

    Along Victoria Street, the junctions just before and after the intersection with Rochor Road have overhead traffic lights. Only the intersection where the accidents took place does not overhead traffic lights.

    "Many drivers think the traffic light is still far away, and don't realise there's actually an intersection there," said taxi driver Albert Ho.

    Dr Lee Der-Horng, associate professor of civil engineering at the National University of Singapore, said the timing of the traffic signals might have been a factor in the accidents.

    "One possibility is that at the pedestrian crossing, maybe, the driver tried to beat the yellow signal. So after he travelled the 50, 60 metres, when he reached the major intersection, the traffic signal already turned to red," he said. "So it becomes a case where he beat the red light; therefore, the accident happened."

    Dr Lee said that besides the traffic signal timings, overhead traffic lights would give drivers a better view of the signal.

    "This intersection is actually satisfactory, from the safety's point of view, from the sight distance," he said.

    "The only thing that could possibly improve the safety for this particular intersection is, we can probably add one more cantilever type of traffic signal, or the overhead type of traffic signal at the major intersection."

    However, the Land Transport Authority said its planning engineers found no issues with the existing traffic scheme at the location.

    "Our traffic planning engineers have driven through the junction of Victoria Street and Rochor Road during the day and in the middle of the night, to film the line of sight from a driver's perspective," LTA said.

    "The traffic planning engineers have conducted a careful evaluation of the traffic signal configuration, and assessed that there are no issues with the existing traffic scheme at that location."

    LTA said the traffic lights at the junction are distinct and can be clearly seen by the driver, whichever lane they are driving on.

    The Singapore Road Safety Council has said it will consider the need to tighten specific road safety measures, after police investigations into the two accidents are completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Had said that in the thread on Ferrari crash. Maybe a bug in the computer coding that after 3am the traffic lights in that area go out of synch.

    There was no clarification that the blood test for alcohol in the Ferrari crash was taken from the deceased's body and not from the crash scene. So I don't buy the idea that the Ferrari driver was not intoxicated. Because it ploughed straight into the taxi. No matter how fast the car was speeding, it would be a natural reflex action to want to avoid a crash. If he was not intoxicated, the driver would have tried to swerve ever so slightly. This reflex action is subconsciously controlled and instinctive - there was no way he could NOT have done it if he was not intoxicated.

    Given the down play of the Ferrari accident by mainstream media, it appears they are whitewashing to cool public sentiments. By excluding details to the public , they know many will not pursue or even forget about the matter in time. Couple with the recent Lexus accident, the focus of the attention digress to the traffic lights as the culprit. This is a familar tactic use so often in the media that we do not trust mainstream reporting until we have alternate sources of information.

    I concur with your line of thinking; a young PRC with a lifestyle of entertaining guests at night establishment and does not drink. I simply do not believe it. Either he was showing off to his new found companion with his mean sports machine or he was so intoxicated nothing matters in front of him. If he was that sober, normal reaction would be to stop as the brake systems on the Ferrari is design to achieve that; at least to minimise impact.

    In any case , the consideration to change traffic timing sounds more like a spin to digress the issue. With 3 dead (plus 3 families lives ruin) and another accident , it is easier to push the blame on traffic system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilcrest View Post
    Given the down play of the Ferrari accident by mainstream media, it appears they are whitewashing to cool public sentiments. By excluding details to the public , they know many will not pursue or even forget about the matter in time. Couple with the recent Lexus accident, the focus of the attention digress to the traffic lights as the culprit. This is a familar tactic use so often in the media that we do not trust mainstream reporting until we have alternate sources of information.

    I concur with your line of thinking; a young PRC with a lifestyle of entertaining guests at night establishment and does not drink. I simply do not believe it. Either he was showing off to his new found companion with his mean sports machine or he was so intoxicated nothing matters in front of him. If he was that sober, normal reaction would be to stop as the brake systems on the Ferrari is design to achieve that; at least to minimise impact.

    In any case , the consideration to change traffic timing sounds more like a spin to digress the issue. With 3 dead (plus 3 families lives ruin) and another accident , it is easier to push the blame on traffic system.
    actually it could be the traffic system at fault. that area is more like a blind alley. like certain places in singapore with traffic lights too close to one another, there's a misconception that there's no light after the first.

    that place has seen too many accidents recently. and with the current construction going on around it, it makes it even more dangerous.

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    Just put a few speed cam there and all drivers will be guai guai :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Kahuna View Post
    Just put a few speed cam there and all drivers will be guai guai :lol:
    actually i thought of something more effective for people who want to endanger the lives of others.

    put a semi-transparent meter-thick bulletproof glass wall under the road that raises when the light turns red. so morons who don't cherish their own life, can end it by their own hand

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    My view is that no matter how much considerations LTA and/or even suggestions from the good public, nothing beats "Educating Drivers" all alike from heavy truckers to motor cyclist, foreigners as well as locals. There is a need to educate such drivers to be aware of their own safety and others too. Over time hopefully, consciously and unconciously, as this sense of safetyness of oneself and others gets inculcated into the daily lives of drivers here, it will surely go a long way to preventing such unfortunate accidents from occuring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilcrest View Post
    Given the down play of the Ferrari accident by mainstream media, it appears they are whitewashing to cool public sentiments. By excluding details to the public , they know many will not pursue or even forget about the matter in time. Couple with the recent Lexus accident, the focus of the attention digress to the traffic lights as the culprit. This is a familar tactic use so often in the media that we do not trust mainstream reporting until we have alternate sources of information.

    I concur with your line of thinking; a young PRC with a lifestyle of entertaining guests at night establishment and does not drink. I simply do not believe it. Either he was showing off to his new found companion with his mean sports machine or he was so intoxicated nothing matters in front of him. If he was that sober, normal reaction would be to stop as the brake systems on the Ferrari is design to achieve that; at least to minimise impact.

    In any case , the consideration to change traffic timing sounds more like a spin to digress the issue. With 3 dead (plus 3 families lives ruin) and another accident , it is easier to push the blame on traffic system.
    If it was a deliberate attempt by the media to divert sentiment from the xenophobia, I am all for it. Rising indiscriminate hatred against foreigners is undesirable and a responsible media would not fan further tensions. Whether it was a foreigner or local does not digress that lives have been lost.

    Even after the LTA's statement, it does not make me feel the errant drivers have any less to blame. LTA can tweak all they want but no drunk driver is going to heed.

    What purpose does it serve LTA to shift the blame onto the traffic lighting system - and hence themselves - and not let it remain firmly on the drivers?

    Fancy trying to find monsters in shadows when there are none.

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    Traffic systems need to control drivers on the road to ensure safety
    When accidents happened more than once at the same spot, there is
    something wrong with the systems not being able to control drivers and ensure
    safety on the road.
    Last edited by henry soh; 29th May 2012 at 08:10 PM.

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    No wonder some overseas celebrity said Singaporeans can't cross a road without a zebra crossing to guide them across.

    Traffic signals or not, you slow down and check for oncoming traffic when approaching a junction.
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    Usually, an accident happen due to many factors. If a repeated accident happen, then one or more of the factors are not removed or isolated. While we blame the drivers, are we saying both drivers intentionally risk their life to run through the traffic light and there are not other possible reasons?

    LTA cannot admit liabilities but they need to look into improvements or continual improvements. So dont just brush aside and say nothing wrong or it is perfect. If you think you are good, then your will never be great. Work on this and start looking at the rest that have similar problems. Dont wait for another accident.

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    A jail tern is a good deterrence against errant drivers on the road
    Last edited by henry soh; 29th May 2012 at 10:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henry soh View Post
    A jail tern is a good deterrence against errant drivers on the road
    but it's too harsh. i can tell you the flow.

    1) people demand a jail term
    2) government is pressured to pass the bill
    3) international Human Rights NGOs complain and make noise
    4) government fight back against them
    5) the citizens complains that the government is horrid and too harsh on punishment

    sound familiar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    Usually, an accident happen due to many factors. If a repeated accident happen, then one or more of the factors are not removed or isolated. While we blame the drivers, are we saying both drivers intentionally risk their life to run through the traffic light and there are not other possible reasons?

    LTA cannot admit liabilities but they need to look into improvements or continual improvements. So dont just brush aside and say nothing wrong or it is perfect. If you think you are good, then your will never be great. Work on this and start looking at the rest that have similar problems. Dont wait for another accident.
    I am saying one driver is drunk and the other probably so. How many lights do you think you need to install to wake them up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acpical View Post
    I am saying one driver is drunk and the other probably so. How many lights do you think you need to install to wake them up?
    you can't wake people up with a light. you need to wake them up with an ALARM.

    whatever that alarm is, i hope it's powerful enough to shock them to their senses

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    The "hero" revealed...

    Lexus driver charged with drink-driving, beating red light

    His dad shouted at reporters present.

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    actually even if we have tons of safety measure put in our streets if the driver wont heed them it's basically useless also. The best is inforce stricter law about traffic violations specially beating the red lights and driving under the influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    The "hero" revealed...

    Lexus driver charged with drink-driving, beating red light

    His dad shouted at reporters present.


    wealthy but no manners

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    The "hero" revealed...

    Lexus driver charged with drink-driving, beating red light

    His dad shouted at reporters present.

    as cantonese saying kei guai (strange), so clear in the wrong still dare to scolding bad words and shouting at others.

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    Actually our law is already quite stiff with beating red lights. 12points, two times & you're out. Caught for drink driving? License revoked. More frequent physical enforcement will be better to drive home the idea so those who go partying will know better not to drive after drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pansbulcem View Post
    as cantonese saying kei guai (strange), so clear in the wrong still dare to scolding bad words and shouting at others.
    you seriously have a bone to pick with me, don't beat around the bush. you darn well know that's not how it sounds like.

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