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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeg

    Sure it does not really necessary equate to democracy as a whole, I stand corrected then. I really didn't mean that DEMOCRACY = PROTEST

    Well, I guess people from different people have different views on democracy, let us not touch on that broad topic.
    Demonstrations and rallies are also another way for people express their frustrations. On some occasions, it has been a tool for the greater good. Although nowadays, most of it has lost it's purpose.

    I was just asking if it's allowed here and if there were occasions that citizens have done it before.
    I think the biggest tool a citizen has on their hands that would impact a country is the ballot sheet this is just mere pen and paper but it could change the country :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by albertri

    I think the biggest tool a citizen has on their hands that would impact a country is the ballot sheet this is just mere pen and paper but it could change the country :-)
    Yes of course. I wasn't implying that rallying is the biggest and only tool. I am also not saying that people should go out to protest for every complain that they have with the gov't. I merely stated that in some occasions it helped for the greater good, as seen in history.

    At the end of the day, the power of the election process is still the most important tool. People will get what they deserve and asked for.

    I guess I'll never know the answer to my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeg

    Yes of course. I wasn't implying that rallying is the biggest and only tool. I am also not saying that people should go out to protest for every complain that they have with the gov't. I merely stated that in some occasions it helped for the greater good, as seen in history.

    At the end of the day, the power of the election process is still the most important tool. People will get what they deserve and asked for.

    I guess I'll never know the answer to my question.
    Yeah lets not waste it, vote wisely not just following the crowd :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by albertri View Post
    Yeah lets not waste it, vote wisely not just following the crowd :-)


    Correct! But I have to say that I am still jealous of SG. Despite of lapses and imperfection of your gov't, it's nothing compared to my country. A country where the criteria for a gov't official is by his celebrity status instead of his accomplishments and records. A country where you can find an (ex-)president that was jailed cause of corruption, but shortly given pardon by the president after him THEN was allowed to run again for President which he almost won! I guess most of our citizens really got what they deserved. Vote for trash, you get trash.

    Sorry for a bit out-of-topic here. Since we're talking about ranting about gov'ts I couldn't help but give mine.
    Last edited by skeeg; 31st May 2012 at 02:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeg View Post
    Correct! But I have to say that I am still jealous of SG. Despite of lapses and imperfection of your gov't, it's nothing compared to my country. A country where the criteria for a gov't official is by his celebrity status instead of his accomplishments and records. A country where you can find an (ex-)president that was jailed cause of corruption, but shortly given pardon by the president after him THEN was allowed to run again for President which he almost won! I guess most of our citizens really got what they deserved. Vote for trash, you get trash.

    Sorry for a bit out-of-topic here. Since we're talking about ranting about gov'ts I couldn't help but give mine.
    Erap? Seriously the guy was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeg View Post
    If you don't mind me asking sir/ma'am, is it illegal to stage a rally here in SG or is there some kind of a "ban" on public protest? Usually in other countries, when citizens have complains and frustrations in their gov't, they go out and rally to express themselves. It's the very essence of democracy. Well even in those non-democratic countries, the citizens still rally against their gov't. I haven't seen that here in SG, or it's happening but not broadcasted in the news?

    I'm just curious.
    you must be new here. Yes public protests & demonstrations are illegal. Public rallies are legal if you apply for a permit with the police beforehand in an approved location only. Presumably this is so in the name of maintaining public order & prevent disruptions. But sometimes the letter of the law is applied in a rather ridiculous manner - i remember seeing how this advertising stunt by this company got screwed becos they staged a mock protest on Orchard road

    see here http://www.thomascrampton.com/media/...-mock-protest/
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    Erap? Seriously the guy was a joke.
    Tell me about it. Don't even get me started on the way he speaks.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuck View Post
    you must be new here. Yes public protests & demonstrations are illegal. Public rallies are legal if you apply for a permit with the police beforehand in an approved location only. Presumably this is so in the name of maintaining public order & prevent disruptions. But sometimes the letter of the law is applied in a rather ridiculous manner - i remember seeing how this advertising stunt by this company got screwed becos they staged a mock protest on Orchard road

    see here Adventures in PR: Singapore stops mock protest - Thomas Crampton
    Finally! An answer. And WOW, really? No wonder people turn to online social media to express their discontents. Thank you very much for the answer.

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    only narrow minded people makes more noise online and they don't represent the majority.
    There are many singaporean are working in China and vice versa, lets just live in harmony. Our ancestors also from China and India.. same mah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sito82 View Post
    only narrow minded people makes more noise online and they don't represent the majority.
    There are many singaporean are working in China and vice versa, lets just live in harmony. Our ancestors also from China and India.. same mah.
    precisely. but this isn't just isolated to our local shores. it's happening around the world. people just feel suffocated by globalism

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    Erap? Seriously the guy was a joke.
    And he's making his way back into politics. About to be elected Mayor of Manila.

    Then let's not even start on FPJ - I know it's not good to talk about the dead, but the country is lucky he never got elected.
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    Actually the ratio of FT to china ppl is very low as compare to here. China ppl to local, high ratio nvm but the post they hold, also high but slack on work. When i got this company course, a china woman suggested less working hrs but she already slack in her job n can be sack w/o much impact. Ha ha!
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeg View Post
    Finally! An answer. And WOW, really? No wonder people turn to online social media to express their discontents. Thank you very much for the answer.
    i think it's good that it's pretty peaceful here in Singapore. if you have seen the disturbances caused by youths in large groups, it's no wonder the police are vigilant.

    i find it funny too, that

    1) Citizen alerts the police thinking it's something bad

    2) the Police respond by breaking up the group

    3) Citizens complain that the police are high-handed and the government is stifling freedom of speech

    4) other citizens go "dafuq??"

    but it's a good thing. a small group of people innocently waving placards and signboards can easily turn into a mob of angry protesters.

    happened in history many times in many different countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    And he's making his way back into politics. About to be elected Mayor of Manila.

    Then let's not even start on FPJ - I know it's not good to talk about the dead, but the country is lucky he never got elected.
    I might offend some people, but that guys like Erap, FPJ etc can get elected into office says very much about the maturity of the electorate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post
    I might offend some people, but that guys like Erap, FPJ etc can get elected into office says very much about the maturity of the electorate.
    I agree with you and I am not offended. I did not vote for those crap. LOL. But people should not be offended by the truth. As I've always said, they voted trash, they get trash. Now all they do is complain and make ridiculous protests, wasting their time and money. I have given up on my country and the stupidity of its so-called "masses".

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    I agree with you and I am not offended. I did not vote for those crap. LOL. But people should not be offended by the truth. As I've always said, they voted trash, they get trash. Now all they do is complain and make ridiculous protests, wasting their time and money. I have given up on my country and the stupidity of its so-called "masses".
    Democracy works well IF AND ONLY IF the electorate are sane and rational.
    Unfortunately humans are very irrational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    i think it's good that it's pretty peaceful here in Singapore. if you have seen the disturbances caused by youths in large groups, it's no wonder the police are vigilant.

    i find it funny too, that

    1) Citizen alerts the police thinking it's something bad

    2) the Police respond by breaking up the group

    3) Citizens complain that the police are high-handed and the government is stifling freedom of speech

    4) other citizens go "dafuq??"

    but it's a good thing. a small group of people innocently waving placards and signboards can easily turn into a mob of angry protesters.

    happened in history many times in many different countries.
    i think sg ppl don't dare to go out in the streets and protest leh. we all scared of the great laws implemented by the pappies. we only do it on the net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moveslikejagger92

    i think sg ppl don't dare to go out in the streets and protest leh. we all scared of the great laws implemented by the pappies. we only do it on the net.
    Law is meant to create Order in a system. But there are those who insist that it's not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sito82
    only narrow minded people makes more noise online and they don't represent the majority.
    There are many singaporean are working in China and vice versa, lets just live in harmony. Our ancestors also from China and India.. same mah.
    Only narrow-minded people say these kinds of things...

    :-\
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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309

    Law is meant to create Order in a system. But there are those who insist that it's not good.
    Times Change. Things change. Social Norms change. The law should reflect the socially accepted norms. Its dynamic. Not everything we do here today may be right in the law of the future.

    Social Deviation is necessary for society to not remain stagnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sispecho View Post
    Times Change. Things change. Social Norms change. The law should reflect the socially accepted norms. Its dynamic. Not everything we do here today may be right in the law of the future.

    Social Deviation is necessary for society to not remain stagnant.
    Laws will definitely change too.

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