Rude Traders - Scums of Marketplaces

Legolas · 2nd January 2005

Hi everyone,

I just want to share a bad experience I had today with a fellow CS member. It is not my nature to be nasty thus, I will not name the person here.

He posted an ad for a 420EX omnibounce and I was keen. Msg him on the phone and was told to PM him instead. That was Fri, 31 Dec. Since I didn't hear from him, I presumed the item was sold.

This morning, Sun 2 Jan, I received a msg asking whether I was interested and why I did not replied to his (2) PMs. As I didn't have an internet access for the weekend, I msg back and tried to arrange a meeting. He called me instead.

Instead of compromising on timing and location, he inisisted for me to meet him in town and at specific timing. When I couldn't meet his expectations, he kept "questioning me" about my work, home and current whereabouts. After my sharing, he wasn't too keen on any of the locations or timings.

What made me boil was that his tone was one of arrogance, of belittle and of rudeness. I had tried to make compromises to my schedule and even prepared to travel to meet him but he didn't even try. I told him that since it was so difficult, I won't be able to meet up with him and am no longer interested. He said "Fine!" and hung up on me!

My goodness, what attitude! As a seller, I believe it would be a nice gesture to meet at your buyer's convenience not the other way around. I can forgive him for his arrogance but will definitely not deal with this kind of person.

Pardon me for this long post but I felt prompted to expose such unruly behaviour

Shalom Peace to all....`may we be humble less we be humbled'

hongsien · 2nd January 2005

Good that you didn't buy from him in the end! (think it is quite a good consolation...). See it as a lesson learnt in life.....

Hong Sien

leeter · 2nd January 2005

ya, some traders seems to only come here to buy or sell their items... but till now, all the traders i've come across are friendly and nice....

lets hope it will continue in this nice manner.... and hope that are less of such happenings.

snowspeeder · 3rd January 2005

Every once in a while, there will always emerge a pathetic S.O.B. who lacks the proper basic courtesy to show respect towards other people. Sometimes, their deficieny in social grace and ignorance can really amaze many.

Ah_Seng · 3rd January 2005

I think we all need to give and take, doesn't matter if you are the buyer or seller.

So far, I've normally been the buyer and all sellers I've met are really nice and friendly. Able to compromise.

Thanks for sharing your experience and hope all will try to be nicer and show others more respect, as a "new year resolution" .

blurblock · 3rd January 2005

Well, you are not the only one. I had experience one that insisted I go to certain place at certain time, that is not too bad. That is this one. Then I had another experience that I go to some place in the East during office hours (about 3pm) because he is going to work during that time and insisted I go there at that time .... how the heck am I going to go there during office hour?

.... worse still he can make this comment "If you can't come during this time at this place, I reserve the right to collect a sum of money to compensate for my time of waiting" .... Siao .... like I owe him a living.... of course I said "In that case, I think I do not want the item any more" .... his answer "You are wasting my time, next time before you PM make sure you can meet my condition first" (His condition was not stated in the forum ..... any way that seller wasn't from CS..... but from Offstone" .............. ??????

That one power .... right?

reachme2003 · 3rd January 2005

Originally Posted by blurblock

..... any way that seller wasn't from CS..... but from Offstone" .............. ??????

That one power .... right?

the seller in question may or had raised his/her 'ugly head' here, at CS.

after reading numerous accounts of bad experiences, i noticed that the defaulting parties were not named. is it because we are being magnanimous towards them? maybe it is time to change tactics.

manalishi · 3rd January 2005

I agree with reachme. Maybe shd change tactics.

Also, it's not just the sellers. Sometimes, the buyers are also at fault. Agreed on a price, but then suddenly MIA, and dun respond to your PMs.

For these kind of people, we shd do like E-Bay...give feedback. I personally would now wan to avoid the seller Legolas talked to.

Similarly, good sellers and buyers shd also receive positive feedbacks.

jsbn · 3rd January 2005

I'm not sure what the entire mess is all about, but den again, the 'questioning' part kinda disturbed me.

If I'm the buyer and the seller asks me all these personal questions, u bet my temperature would be raised faster den heating up petrol.

Still I think for such situation, its best both parties come out onto the thread and paste both sides of their stories instead of juz a one-sided thing. Be honest about it if both parties got nothing to hide. Things can be settled amicably.

Of cos, if it degenerates to a state of scold-father, scold-mother thing. Den both fellaz shld meet in person (minus the gang thing) to sort things out.

Happy 2005 guys.

XXX Boy · 3rd January 2005

That poor rude chap must be seriously in need of $$$ so he sell his Cheapo 420EX omnibounce.
Lets hope that he goes broke and nobody gotta buy from him!!!

I hate rude person!!!

Stoned · 3rd January 2005

While I've always believed it is a buyer's market, we should all do well to remember that because we are also dealing with people(sellers) and not shops when buying 2nd hand goods, we as buyers should be polite as well.

As a seller, I've met pretty rude buyers who've made me go down to a place only to try and bargain on the spot, thinking that because i've spent an hour travelling I'll let them have it. The worse would be a no show, no response via handphone either.

Hence, keeping in mind that both parties gain during a sale, please always remember to have consideration for others. This however, does not mean you allow the seller/buyer to walk all over you(like in Legolas' case). Buyers, if there is no defect to the product, please honour the agreed upon price.

kegler · 3rd January 2005

i tthink asking work/home location is quite common thing.... reason: look for a common or nearest pt of meeting...but seems like the seller is not interested to make any compromise for meeting location.... wonder why he bother to ask....lol.... but if have been to hardwarezone....u would think that this issue is peanuts...haahaa... dunno why the pple there like to "tuan" pple go around end up slash price or mia.... weirdos

Cheers!

loupgarou · 3rd January 2005

I hate to tell you this , but if you check my ad

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=107895

IT IS STATED IN BLACK AND WHITE: self collect at redhill or lau pat sat.

you work live at tampines/sembawang, and is neither willing meet me at those locations or at my convenience, do you think I should go out of the way to sell at $15 item to you?

loupgarou · 3rd January 2005

and please, I asked you for your location so that I can ascertain how convenient is it to arrange a middle ground position for YOUR convenience, you are the one who isn't willing to consider my schedule.

loupgarou · 3rd January 2005

and from my perspective, I already gave you more than two days to consider it, it ain't my fault you don't have "internet access" over the weekend.

luckily my next buyer in queue could meet me at both our convenience at orchard road instead and the sale was concluded in less than 5 minutes.

reachme2003 · 3rd January 2005

Originally Posted by XXX Boy

That poor rude chap must be seriously in need of $$$ so he sell his Cheapo 420EX omnibounce.
Lets hope that he goes broke and nobody gotta buy from him!!!
I hate rude person!!!

let us not be personal. thank you.

markccm · 3rd January 2005

Originally Posted by manalishi

Also, it's not just the sellers. Sometimes, the buyers are also at fault. Agreed on a price, but then suddenly MIA, and dun respond to your PMs.

Yup, I agree.

This is what happened to me.
here

manalishi · 3rd January 2005

Hey, Mark. Thanks for meeting me in the rain yesterday.

Yup, think this sort of cases happen to many fellow CS-ers as well, in lesser or greater degree.

Thats why i am for the idea of a feedback on buyers/sellers.

Legolas · 3rd January 2005

Looks like the seller decided to expose

himself. I didn't meant for it to turn out this way.

As mentioned, I was prepared to travel and meet at other timing (provided I wasn't at work or on duty). I made the gesture of goodwill by messaging 1st instead of PM to indicate that I'm a serious buyer.

Why was I annoyed at him?
1. The tone used was nasty. Come on, no one owes him a living.

2. Do not ASSume that everyone checks their PMs daily especially when I have msg him my number.

3. I was told to PM instead when I msg. Why? Because he told me I was 3rd on the list.
Does that mean I must be at his beck and call, if and only if, the 1st or 2nd seller backs out? That's 2 days for him to contact them and not for me to consider. Goodness gracious, so self-righteous! He could have msg me instead, right?

4. I don't think by the "it's okay you don't buy from me if you can't meet my schedule" attitude is called compromising.

5. He did not ask me for my location, he practically "interrogated" me and I was nice to provide him with the info, which he has published to everyone. Nice guy huh?

Like the title says, it's about Rude Traders. It has nothing to do with price, deal location nor timing. I don't wish to be personal about it but I'm stating the fact of the matter. He was RUDE!

HeWolf · 3rd January 2005

I support the idea of rating system (as in other auction/classified sites).

The BAD ones may register with a new a/c to come back, but the GOOD ones would have earned their good ratings & reputations over time.

It sure helps your consideration when you're selling/buying to/from people.

And I believe all the good ones will support the rating idea as there's nothing they're fear of. Right?

2nd January 2005	#1
Legolas New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7	Rude Traders - Scums of Marketplaces Hi everyone, I just want to share a bad experience I had today with a fellow CS member. It is not my nature to be nasty thus, I will not name the person here. He posted an ad for a 420EX omnibounce and I was keen. Msg him on the phone and was told to PM him instead. That was Fri, 31 Dec. Since I didn't hear from him, I presumed the item was sold. This morning, Sun 2 Jan, I received a msg asking whether I was interested and why I did not replied to his (2) PMs. As I didn't have an internet access for the weekend, I msg back and tried to arrange a meeting. He called me instead. Instead of compromising on timing and location, he inisisted for me to meet him in town and at specific timing. When I couldn't meet his expectations, he kept "questioning me" about my work, home and current whereabouts. After my sharing, he wasn't too keen on any of the locations or timings. What made me boil was that his tone was one of arrogance, of belittle and of rudeness. I had tried to make compromises to my schedule and even prepared to travel to meet him but he didn't even try. I told him that since it was so difficult, I won't be able to meet up with him and am no longer interested. He said "Fine!" and hung up on me! My goodness, what attitude! As a seller, I believe it would be a nice gesture to meet at your buyer's convenience not the other way around. I can forgive him for his arrogance but will definitely not deal with this kind of person. Pardon me for this long post but I felt prompted to expose such unruly behaviour Shalom Peace to all....`may we be humble less we be humbled'

3rd January 2005	#11
Stoned Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Changi Posts: 4,376	While I've always believed it is a buyer's market, we should all do well to remember that because we are also dealing with people(sellers) and not shops when buying 2nd hand goods, we as buyers should be polite as well. As a seller, I've met pretty rude buyers who've made me go down to a place only to try and bargain on the spot, thinking that because i've spent an hour travelling I'll let them have it. The worse would be a no show, no response via handphone either. Hence, keeping in mind that both parties gain during a sale, please always remember to have consideration for others. This however, does not mean you allow the seller/buyer to walk all over you(like in Legolas' case). Buyers, if there is no defect to the product, please honour the agreed upon price. __________________ My Personal Folio (of random events and things)

3rd January 2005	#20
HeWolf Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Punggol 21 Posts: 397	Rating system - I support I support the idea of rating system (as in other auction/classified sites). The BAD ones may register with a new a/c to come back, but the GOOD ones would have earned their good ratings & reputations over time. It sure helps your consideration when you're selling/buying to/from people. And I believe all the good ones will support the rating idea as there's nothing they're fear of. Right?

2nd January 2005	#2
hongsien Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 2,904	Good that you didn't buy from him in the end! (think it is quite a good consolation...). See it as a lesson learnt in life..... Hong Sien

2nd January 2005	#3
leeter Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,233	ya, some traders seems to only come here to buy or sell their items... but till now, all the traders i've come across are friendly and nice.... lets hope it will continue in this nice manner.... and hope that are less of such happenings.

3rd January 2005	#4
snowspeeder Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 35A East Coast Rd Posts: 3,436	Every once in a while, there will always emerge a pathetic S.O.B. who lacks the proper basic courtesy to show respect towards other people. Sometimes, their deficieny in social grace and ignorance can really amaze many.

3rd January 2005	#5
Ah_Seng Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Land of the woods........ Posts: 1,306	I think we all need to give and take, doesn't matter if you are the buyer or seller. So far, I've normally been the buyer and all sellers I've met are really nice and friendly. Able to compromise. Thanks for sharing your experience and hope all will try to be nicer and show others more respect, as a "new year resolution" .

3rd January 2005	#6
blurblock Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,837	Well, you are not the only one. I had experience one that insisted I go to certain place at certain time, that is not too bad. That is this one. Then I had another experience that I go to some place in the East during office hours (about 3pm) because he is going to work during that time and insisted I go there at that time .... how the heck am I going to go there during office hour? .... worse still he can make this comment "If you can't come during this time at this place, I reserve the right to collect a sum of money to compensate for my time of waiting" .... Siao .... like I owe him a living.... of course I said "In that case, I think I do not want the item any more" .... his answer "You are wasting my time, next time before you PM make sure you can meet my condition first" (His condition was not stated in the forum ..... any way that seller wasn't from CS..... but from Offstone" .............. ?????? That one power .... right?

3rd January 2005	#8
manalishi New Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sengkang Posts: 29	I agree with reachme. Maybe shd change tactics. Also, it's not just the sellers. Sometimes, the buyers are also at fault. Agreed on a price, but then suddenly MIA, and dun respond to your PMs. For these kind of people, we shd do like E-Bay...give feedback. I personally would now wan to avoid the seller Legolas talked to. Similarly, good sellers and buyers shd also receive positive feedbacks.

3rd January 2005	#9
jsbn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Planet Eropagnis Posts: 2,977	I'm not sure what the entire mess is all about, but den again, the 'questioning' part kinda disturbed me. If I'm the buyer and the seller asks me all these personal questions, u bet my temperature would be raised faster den heating up petrol. Still I think for such situation, its best both parties come out onto the thread and paste both sides of their stories instead of juz a one-sided thing. Be honest about it if both parties got nothing to hide. Things can be settled amicably. Of cos, if it degenerates to a state of scold-father, scold-mother thing. Den both fellaz shld meet in person (minus the gang thing) to sort things out. Happy 2005 guys.

3rd January 2005	#10
XXX Boy Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: GEYLAND LOR 15 LO Posts: 1,104	That poor rude chap must be seriously in need of $$$ so he sell his Cheapo 420EX omnibounce. Lets hope that he goes broke and nobody gotta buy from him!!! I hate rude person!!!

3rd January 2005	#12
kegler Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,306	i tthink asking work/home location is quite common thing.... reason: look for a common or nearest pt of meeting...but seems like the seller is not interested to make any compromise for meeting location.... wonder why he bother to ask....lol.... but if have been to hardwarezone....u would think that this issue is peanuts...haahaa... dunno why the pple there like to "tuan" pple go around end up slash price or mia.... weirdos Cheers!

3rd January 2005	#13
loupgarou Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,794	I hate to tell you this , but if you check my ad http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=107895 IT IS STATED IN BLACK AND WHITE: self collect at redhill or lau pat sat. you work live at tampines/sembawang, and is neither willing meet me at those locations or at my convenience, do you think I should go out of the way to sell at $15 item to you?

3rd January 2005	#19
Legolas New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7	Looks like the seller decided to expose himself. I didn't meant for it to turn out this way. As mentioned, I was prepared to travel and meet at other timing (provided I wasn't at work or on duty). I made the gesture of goodwill by messaging 1st instead of PM to indicate that I'm a serious buyer. Why was I annoyed at him? 1. The tone used was nasty. Come on, no one owes him a living. 2. Do not ASSume that everyone checks their PMs daily especially when I have msg him my number. 3. I was told to PM instead when I msg. Why? Because he told me I was 3rd on the list. Does that mean I must be at his beck and call, if and only if, the 1st or 2nd seller backs out? That's 2 days for him to contact them and not for me to consider. Goodness gracious, so self-righteous! He could have msg me instead, right? 4. I don't think by the "it's okay you don't buy from me if you can't meet my schedule" attitude is called compromising. 5. He did not ask me for my location, he practically "interrogated" me and I was nice to provide him with the info, which he has published to everyone. Nice guy huh? Like the title says, it's about Rude Traders. It has nothing to do with price, deal location nor timing. I don't wish to be personal about it but I'm stating the fact of the matter. He was RUDE!