Using 2 external flashes

[Drudkh]

I just bought a 5600 & I have the 3600. I was trying out mounting one flash on the hotshoe, and the other on wireless mode. Camera was set to wireless mode, but when shutter was depressed, the wireless one did not ignite. changing the flashes vice versa yield the same result. What did I miss? I tried all kind of settings but just couldn't get the wireless one to work.

[BBTM]

Originally Posted by Drudkh I just bought a 5600 & I have the 3600. I was trying out mounting one flash on the hotshoe, and the other on wireless mode. Camera was set to wireless mode, but when shutter was depressed, the wireless one did not ignite. changing the flashes vice versa yield the same result. What did I miss? I tried all kind of settings but just couldn't get the wireless one to work.

Don't feel sad esp on a new year day. Ask flare, he sure can answer your qns one. Anyway, HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[sulhan]

Hiee Don.....

For the wireless to work for the D7D.....you need to have the on-board flash as the trigger.....

You should be placing your two 5600 and 3600 in specific locations for the desired effect.....

You have the perfect match.....two flash and one trigger......enough to open one studio shop to take passport photos!!!!! and make money!!!!

Regards,
Sulhan

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by sulhan Hiee Don..... For the wireless to work for the D7D.....you need to have the on-board flash as the trigger..... You should be placing your two 5600 and 3600 in specific locations for the desired effect..... You have the perfect match.....two flash and one trigger......enough to open one studio shop to take passport photos!!!!! and make money!!!! Regards, Sulhan

Yes Sulhan, Happy New Year to you, BBTM & everyone!

If both set to wireless and trigger using the built-in flash, both works. What I do not understand is why the 5600 was set as the controller, it cannot ignite the 3600 as described in the manual?



But the 3600 or 5600 mounted on the hotshoe, both can trigger off the Sigma DG Super.

[Flare]

Because the 7D doesn't support wireless flash accessory! Either the dedicated trigger or the 5600's built in wireless flash controller mode... (read the free manual )

Why do you wanna use the 5600 as a wireless flash trigger? Do note that the signal to triger the flash doesn't play a part in the final exposure, so even if the 7D does allows 5600 as a controller, the effect will be the same as using the onboard flash with 1 off camera flash.

I think what you wanted is 2 flashes, one near the camera, and another which you can position, to achieve this, I think you'll need a bracket for the near camera flash and then use the built in flash to trigger both flashes.

[Flare]

And i think you can trigger the sigma is because the sigma is set on stobe mode, which simply flash when it detects the camera's own flash, or other flash. Not the same as KM's wireless flash...

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by Flare Because the 7D doesn't support wireless flash accessory! Either the dedicated trigger or the 5600's built in wireless flash controller mode... (read the free manual ) Why do you wanna use the 5600 as a wireless flash trigger? Do note that the signal to triger the flash doesn't play a part in the final exposure, so even if the 7D does allows 5600 as a controller, the effect will be the same as using the onboard flash with 1 off camera flash. I think what you wanted is 2 flashes, one near the camera, and another which you can position, to achieve this, I think you'll need a bracket for the near camera flash and then use the built in flash to trigger both flashes.

Thanks! I expected this to happen actually, so I bought the bracket to mount the flash next to my cam. Its just a piece of metal with 2 screw knobs & cost only $10 from P&G. I'll be trying out this setup tomorrow. Apparently, when the 5600 or 3600 is mounted right next to the cam, the built-in flash is able to rigger off the external flash which seems impossible as the angle doesn't look like its enough to cover that angle.

Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by Flare And i think you can trigger the sigma is because the sigma is set on stobe mode, which simply flash when it detects the camera's own flash, or other flash. Not the same as KM's wireless flash...

Oh i see... Thanks for the info.

[Flare]

Originally Posted by Drudkh Thanks! I expected this to happen actually, so I bought the bracket to mount the flash next to my cam. Its just a piece of metal with 2 screw knobs & cost only $10 from P&G. I'll be trying out this setup tomorrow. Apparently, when the 5600 or 3600 is mounted right next to the cam, the built-in flash is able to rigger off the external flash which seems impossible as the angle doesn't look like its enough to cover that angle. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?

Hahaha... sometimes you can even trigger the flash when it's BEHIND the camera. Even tho line of sight is reccomended, the flash will also trip when the signal is bounced, for example, from built in flash onto the subject and back at the off camera flash... But it depends greatly of reflective properties of the subject, surroundings and the ambient light condition, wireless flash's 'effective range' is reduced in bright daylight (signal kena overwhelmed by ambient light).

[UY79]

Time for a new accessory, the offshoe cord.

Cheers!

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by Flare Hahaha... sometimes you can even trigger the flash when it's BEHIND the camera. Even tho line of sight is reccomended, the flash will also trip when the signal is bounced, for example, from built in flash onto the subject and back at the off camera flash... But it depends greatly of reflective properties of the subject, surroundings and the ambient light condition, wireless flash's 'effective range' is reduced in bright daylight (signal kena overwhelmed by ambient light).

Yeah, I reckon that too... Anyway, I'm pretty happy with my 5600. Its a great flash and I think i need sometime to get used to it from my 3600 which has no control at all. Man, I can finally tilt in any angle I want!

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by UY79 Time for a new accessory, the offshoe cord. Cheers!

Well, I'll see how good the wireless mode can handle before getting myself to buy the offshoe cord.

[Flare]

and you can even tilt it back and bounce from ceiling when shooting a downwards shot... hahaha

After I bought the 5600, i really wondered why I bought the 3600 in the first place!! Kinda sad, the 3600 is now left un-used for months as I haven't had time to go out and really shoot, normally only shot camp events...

Too mad bidadari is almost gone, or else I think i'll try again with 2 flashes...

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by Flare and you can even tilt it back and bounce from ceiling when shooting a downwards shot... hahaha After I bought the 5600, i really wondered why I bought the 3600 in the first place!! Kinda sad, the 3600 is now left un-used for months as I haven't had time to go out and really shoot, normally only shot camp events... Too mad bidadari is almost gone, or else I think i'll try again with 2 flashes...

Do you mean the cemetery?
I believe the 3600 will be of good use to me for portrait shoots, gonna try it tomorrow. So exciting! heehee...

By the way, the turning knob on the 5600 has this multiple burst, how useful is that? I know that it can be used to check for shadows but if anyone could provide a little tutorial for me would be great!

[Flare]

Originally Posted by Drudkh Do you mean the cemetery? I believe the 3600 will be of good use to me for portrait shoots, gonna try it tomorrow. So exciting! heehee... By the way, the turning knob on the 5600 has this multiple burst, how useful is that? I know that it can be used to check for shadows but if anyone could provide a little tutorial for me would be great!

The knob is only for test, i.e. check shadows, or use as torch to find stuff in your camera bag... Other makers also put this in their higher end flash models but they call it modelling light...

There's this manual multi-strobe mode on the 5600 too, which triggers the flash a certain number of times, at a certain cycle rate within a long exposure, allowing you to catch multiple stages of a movement... very hard to explain in words... I haven't really used it yet outside trying for fun, so i also don't have anything to show...

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by Flare The knob is only for test, i.e. check shadows, or use as torch to find stuff in your camera bag... Other makers also put this in their higher end flash models but they call it modelling light... There's this manual multi-strobe mode on the 5600 too, which triggers the flash a certain number of times, at a certain cycle rate within a long exposure, allowing you to catch multiple stages of a movement... very hard to explain in words... I haven't really used it yet outside trying for fun, so i also don't have anything to show...

Oh okay, I got what you mean. Saw the sample pic in the 5600 manual booklet. Thanks for the info!

[sulhan]

Originally Posted by Drudkh Thanks! I expected this to happen actually, so I bought the bracket to mount the flash next to my cam. Its just a piece of metal with 2 screw knobs & cost only $10 from P&G. I'll be trying out this setup tomorrow. Apparently, when the 5600 or 3600 is mounted right next to the cam, the built-in flash is able to rigger off the external flash which seems impossible as the angle doesn't look like its enough to cover that angle. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?

I actually have the bracket bought from P&G too...

I scrap the silver coating as i prefer it black....


rgds,
sulhan

[sulhan]

Originally Posted by Flare ......... There's this manual multi-strobe mode on the 5600 too, which triggers the flash a certain number of times, at a certain cycle rate within a long exposure, allowing you to catch multiple stages of a movement... very hard to explain in words... I haven't really used it yet outside trying for fun, so i also don't have anything to show...

THis strobe is good for:
- shadow accessment prior to final shot - modelling e.g
- Capture sports strokes......golf , tennis etc...
- Creative photography.....

Actually i do demo this use of the strobe in my classes.......
Its very cool mode if you know how to use it.....



rgds,
sulhan

[Ben1223]

Originally Posted by sulhan Actually i do demo this use of the strobe in my classes.......

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by sulhan I actually have the bracket bought from P&G too... I scrap the silver coating as i prefer it black.... rgds, sulhan

i tried to scrap off the coating and now it looks "kanasai"... hahaa...