And ya, how not those themes or concepts instead of a straight up expectation of 'act cute' expressions. If you dare to be different and the model is up for it, then why not? Zichar, so when you're going to be a photoshoot organiser? :P
I have enough of boring cover the gal in the wedding gown = wedding shoot type of shoots organised here. that's the type of message I want to convey to organisers here. improve! make up storyline (as long as related to the theme) and make the shoot interesting to look at.
but seriously... if the model is wearing a wedding gown and posing like this and this. This shoot is never gonna work out. And like I say, find a better model for the job.
i've shot cassey before... and i have to agree with bro sinned79...........
but honestly, though bro sinned79's words are pretty harsh, i can understand why he got fed up. if you notice how many people took his words out of context and were just living in their own dream world.
and bashing him based on a comment he made 2 years ago. i'm not on his side but heck, give a guy a break.
i know most of the photogs here love to shoot XMMs on a regular basis, but it's no reason to attack him just because he has different views on how people build up their portfolios.
and TS... you're the same. you went into the nest of hornets to make a complaint (i.e. the Nikon sub-forum) and you got what you were asking for.
That's silly. On the right topic and with some time I can too be critical and honest in my opinions. The difference is I will be analytical and dispassionate enough in my phrasing so it does not sound like an immature rant. I present my side with counter arguments of logical possibilities to cut off differing opines and reinforce others to my intent. But at the end I still request alternative solutions, firstly to invite similar or differing views and secondly to humble myself that there could be smarter and more intelligent people out there.
This way, even though I am deconstructing something (preferably never someone), I brooch the topic in a palatable form and not brute shove it down people's throats. I will not make many friends but a bunch of enemies that way. Which method gets your point across? By making people blind with fury? No wonder they started making less sense and got more "insulting".
But even before that, you should get it into your head that you are not the only one who is being true to him/herself and that everyone else is just hiding behind masks. Again, if you're still the same old you as previously, it shouldn't take long for the next occurrence to happen.
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[edited: I find the "call me" hand gesture is very common, I have a few in my stock images collection on different models.
You may have different views on this gesture, but can leave it to others if you don't intent to do the shoot.
as this is a forum... i dun see the need to be so PR unless I am facing my clients (since $$$ is involved). so I always relax and dun really care much about my postings on forum (else i wun have rake up 9000+ so fast). if someone can't see my posting eye to eye too bad. but i can be meaner and malicious if i want to if there is a need to.
But you're still equating my logic as being nice or being PR. It's not so much about being nice than getting your point across in a logical format. Well, I can't really break it down anymore than what I've done without repeating myself. I have some DI work to bang out too so, cheers~
Last edited by foxtwo; 23rd April 2012 at 01:30 PM.
If you put 10 person in one room you will be surprised that there can be more than 100 opinions. Simply because some people will have more than one opinion.
So I learn in life, to listen to the opinions of others, but also filter out those good and not so good and just keep those good ones. Other than that, not to be bothered by others who may disagree with me. Let's agree to disagree.
Sometimes there is no need to defend our opinion or what we believe in. Continue to believe in what you believe in and if others don't see the same page as you, the world doesn't end. You are still who you are and they are still who they are.
Next thing I am going to talk about is never allow others to put you in a box. Your limits are not the limits others say about you. Your potential is not limited by what others think or say about you. Let you yourself define and set your own limits.
Cassey previous portfolio might suit a certain style but that does not mean she will not outgrow that style. It might challenge her and the photographer and MUA and the clothes choice if she does certain themes but it certainly does not mean they will fail (all the time).
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If you read the link I posted above, today we are enjoying the fruits and fruits of their fruits and fruits of their fruits of their fruits,... ... of those people just because they did not stop when others say they cannot.
Fast forward 1 million years from today, there will still be critics and there will still be over-comers. Good day all.
Going totally off tangent, I've never shot portraits
But I think there's some fun and different ways to do so out there
One of the most striking and powerful series I've seen so far here on CS is the one with a ballerina in the MRT
sprintist's series if I'm not mistaken
I started looking at alt scenes because I wanted to do my own wedding photoshoot in a different manner
I remember checking out some photog's own wedding shoot, done in a 50s gangster mafia style - groom dons a black vest and black hat, shotgun prop, dark dingy sleazy motel room with woman in over-exaggerated red dress, red lipstick, red heels, some with a close-up of her having a (what I think is a) post-coital drag of the cigarette, exhaling nonchalantly
And was also previously inspired by Ryan Weiss whose work I stumbled upon in another forum
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Let's just say I haven't yet done mine (and I've been married two years, wife rolls eyes, it's a topic I try not to bring up) but some day I'll get to it
Coming back to the topic, I'd reiterate foxtwo by saying it's attracting flies (or was it bees?) with honey. Your intent is definitely good, but the method and approach, just needs a little polishing
Maybe then more people would open up their minds to something different? Maybe being the operative word of course, it can also end up as maybe not, but since you're already there, it's simply an extra small step - put some examples, google some links, images and hey, it might just work! I don't think this amounts to needing to change who you are and how you think. We surely need straight shooters, and less sycophants. Phew.
Endure. In enduring grow strong.
Geez, can we all go out & shoot something nice instead? Perhaps learning how to pose a model is a good start