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    Default Shooting the moon

    Asking the experts:

    I have been trying to photograph the moon. But hor, even with similar equipment (OK lah, mine more cheapo), tripod etc. I can't seem to get the level of details that some folks from overseas can get... for example, this: V1 + FT1 + 384 + 20E - shooting of the Moon : Nikon 1 System Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

    I know it is probably my poor skills, but I am wondering if it also not due to the light pollution here or the quality of the air. Even what I consider a very good shot by Bro Reno (http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/nikon...ikon-v1-2.html) seems not to show the same level of details. Is it PP? Any views on this?

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    One tip to start with, the rounder the moon, the lesser the details u gonna get. Start with a half eclipsed moon, your result should be better.
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    The first problem is, you are using a Nikon. Without exposure simulation, shooting the moon is really a PITA for Nikon users.

    When the moon is round and bright (no obstruction), f8, 1/125 and ISO100 is the average settings for a good exposure. Then start playing from there. Don't bother shooting when it's covered by the clouds. Settings have to be drastically tweak when the moon is not big and round, because the amount of light reflected by the moon is much lower.

    Here's my moon:



    It's not a 100% moon though. It's 99%. I missed the 100% timing again zzzz.
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    Default Re: Shooting the moon

    here is a tip

    the moon is lit by the sun, so set the camera to M
    and use the sunny f16 rule for exposure

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    There are some problems...

    1. High humidity
    2. Light pollution

    But you can overcome it a bit with lucky timing and some technique. Use spot metering.



    Last edited by Rashkae; 6th April 2012 at 03:11 AM.
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    This is about the best I got, all manual - Nikon V1 + FT1 + Kenko 1.4x TC + Kenko 2xTC + Nikkor 300mm f4, ISO 100, f13, 1/60sec, 0EV. Manual focus. Quite a bit of PP (not good at it, hope didn't screw it up)



    I fixed ISO to 100 and aperture to f13 and played with various shutter speed. Thanks Ortega for the tip. Will try f16 next.

    Getting the "pimples" on the rough and shadowy side is not the issue. The problem is getting all the details I the smooth surface side. If you compare the DPreview link in my first post and all the moon shots posted here (which are all good, don't get me wrong), the details on the "smooth" side is still not as good according to my eyes.

    PS: the lens is "naked" - no filter. I manual focus every shot. Took about 15 shots and this is about the best one. Whole setup on a tripod and a gimbal head. Timer delayed release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythmaker

    It's not a 100% moon though. It's 99%. I missed the 100% timing again zzzz.
    Yesterday was the 15th day in the Chinese lunar calendar, supposedly the "full moon" but actually the moon is even rounder on the 16th day (full moon according to the Indian calendar, I believe). If tonight no cloud cover, you should be able to get your 100% moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    This is about the best I got, all manual - Nikon V1 + FT1 + Kenko 1.4x TC + Kenko 2xTC + Nikkor 300mm f4, ISO 100, f13, 1/60sec, 0EV. Manual focus. Quite a bit of PP (not good at it, hope didn't screw it up)



    I fixed ISO to 100 and aperture to f13 and played with various shutter speed. Thanks Ortega for the tip. Will try f16 next.

    Getting the "pimples" on the rough and shadowy side is not the issue. The problem is getting all the details I the smooth surface side. If you compare the DPreview link in my first post and all the moon shots posted here (which are all good, don't get me wrong), the details on the "smooth" side is still not as good according to my eyes.

    PS: the lens is "naked" - no filter. I manual focus every shot. Took about 15 shots and this is about the best one. Whole setup on a tripod and a gimbal head. Timer delayed release.
    Hi, I think your moon is slightly under exposed, may be you want to increase the exposure a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cichlid

    Hi, I think your moon is slightly under exposed, may be you want to increase the exposure a bit more.
    I tot the exposure was fine, any brighter might blow off some details.
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    Try without the 2x TC - usually 1.4x is ok, but 2x kills the details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    This is about the best I got, all manual - Nikon V1 + FT1 + Kenko 1.4x TC + Kenko 2xTC + Nikkor 300mm f4, ISO 100, f13, 1/60sec, 0EV. Manual focus. Quite a bit of PP (not good at it, hope didn't screw it up)

    [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7276/7047982979_418ff01b13_b.jpg[/mg]

    I fixed ISO to 100 and aperture to f13 and played with various shutter speed. Thanks Ortega for the tip. Will try f16 next.

    Getting the "pimples" on the rough and shadowy side is not the issue. The problem is getting all the details I the smooth surface side. If you compare the DPreview link in my first post and all the moon shots posted here (which are all good, don't get me wrong), the details on the "smooth" side is still not as good according to my eyes.

    PS: the lens is "naked" - no filter. I manual focus every shot. Took about 15 shots and this is about the best one. Whole setup on a tripod and a gimbal head. Timer delayed release.
    Unless you are using a FF, f16's diffusion will make it even worse.

    Tonight is 100% moon (according to google) or 99% moon (according to NEA). Will shoot for both nights and hopefully get a good shot >.<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythmaker View Post
    Tonight is 100% moon (according to google) or 99% moon (according to NEA). Will shoot for both nights and hopefully get a good shot >.<
    I don't see what is with the obsession between a 99% illuminated full moon and a 100% one.

    But FYI, the moon is fully illuminated on 2012-04-07 T 03:19 +8 (Singapore Standard Time (SST)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images
    I don't see what is with the obsession between a 99% illuminated full moon and a 100% one.

    But FYI, the moon is fully illuminated on 2012-04-07 T 03:19 +8 (Singapore Standard Time (SST)).
    huh?! can someone tell me what's the diff between the 99% n 100% illumination?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Photogenic

    huh?! can someone tell me what's the diff between the 99% n 100% illumination?
    It means that due to the angle that we see the moon from singapore, we will not get a full 100% view
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    It means that due to the angle that we see the moon from singapore, we will not get a full 100% view
    meaning not the full view of the moon?
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    Default Re: Shooting the moon

    Best attempt tonight...

    Nikon V1 + FT1 + 300mm f4, ISO 200, f8, 1/20 sec, 0EV



    Nkon V1 + FT1 + 300mm f4, ISO 100, f8, 1/20 sec, 0EV


    Lessons learnt:

    1. I had thought the the TC would bring me more details. WRONG! Ditched the (cheapo) TC as suggested by Rashkae, and let the 300mm f4 do its magic! The AF-S (vs my manual focus using the TCs) was spot-on! Of course cropping means I lose pixels, but I gained details.

    2. f8 is the best for my Nikon V1. I tried f10 and above - diffraction sets in and the same focus lock results in a slightly blurry picture.

    3. "Expose to the Right" - the histogram will reveal a HUGE bump on the left coz most of the sky is black. But there is a small hump to the right that is actually the details of the moon. Chose my exposure such that the right bump is off to the right without clipping of the highlights.

    4. Tried several things in PP. Too messy to detail but it gave the best results of my moon shots so far.

    Thanks to everyone for tips and motivating me to try and try. I am sure mine is the not the best moonshots in the world (NASA probably has much much better ones) but with the equipment I have, and the whole process that I so enjoyed, I am happy.
    Last edited by UncleFai; 6th April 2012 at 11:22 PM.

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    UncleFai,
    Now that you have managed to capture the moon so well you should go for the sun too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    UncleFai,
    Now that you have managed to capture the moon so well you should go for the sun too.
    I basically an experimenter. I may try - if I find a safe enough ND filter.

    On the other hand, I saw on DPReview someone manage to shoot Jupiter and its moons with his V1! I am super excited... my next project

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    I basically an experimenter. I may try - if I find a safe enough ND filter.

    On the other hand, I saw on DPReview someone manage to shoot Jupiter and its moons with his V1! I am super excited... my next project
    Wow, Jupiter or Saturn sounds great! Really cool. Just kidding about the sun, don't hurt your eyes or sensor. BTW how many stops of ND would be needed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew

    Wow, Jupiter or Saturn sounds great! Really cool. Just kidding about the sun, don't hurt your eyes or sensor. BTW how many stops of ND would be needed?
    I shot the sun once, at the highest F-stop and fastest shutter speed on my ex 150-500mm. I found a crack on the egg yolk. No ND btw.
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