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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123
    so cyclists > motorist?
    Were I live, yes. Cycles MUST be on the road if the rider is older that 12yrs. (I think) Cycles are expected to follow all road rules. There are even special extra rules in
    the rules for them.
    http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/trafficinf...les/index.html

    However try taking your 'right of way' with motorists and see how long you live. Most car drivers think bicycles should be on the footpath and treat you accordingly.

    I've actually had a relative say if she saw me on the road taking the full traffic lane I am entitled to she would run me down.... There are just some places where if you don't block the lane, drivers try to get past you with out changing lanes and the lanes are not wide enough for this to be done safely.

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    I am a regular cyclist, and though road conditions are not perfect in singapore (i have cycled in germany before and the vehicles were much nicer!), I find that most cars including buses are rather polite.

    just try to anticipate how vehicles will move, especially buses, and confidence will come with more experience.

    if they don't give me face, which few are rather reckless with cyclists, i will horn them with my air pressured horn, louder than a truck's horn and scare the wits out of them....

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    Well in Singapore, cyclists do not have a right of way.

    Quote Originally Posted by matthew
    Were I live, yes. Cycles MUST be on the road if the rider is older that 12yrs. (I think) Cycles are expected to follow all road rules. There are even special extra rules in
    the rules for them.
    http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/trafficinf...les/index.html

    However try taking your 'right of way' with motorists and see how long you live. Most car drivers think bicycles should be on the footpath and treat you accordingly.

    I've actually had a relative say if she saw me on the road taking the full traffic lane I am entitled to she would run me down.... There are just some places where if you don't block the lane, drivers try to get past you with out changing lanes and the lanes are not wide enough for this to be done safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123
    Well in Singapore, cyclists do not have a right of way.
    Hmmm... some of them think they have leh... Some even ride 3 abreast, like NDP like that

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    this reply was reported in Today on 18/19 Dec 2004. Careless, negligent or dangerous cyclists, pls note.

    [Report errant cyclists to the police
    I refer to the recent letters published in Today about reckless cycling on pavements and the lack of courtesy-cum-social grace on the roads.
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    We would like to remind all cyclists that the police will not hesitate to take action against cyclists riding on footways who are careless, negligent or dangerous. Cyclists found doing so can be fined up to $1,000 or be imprisoned up to three months.
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    Should members of the public see someone cycling rashly, negligently or in a manner likely to cause danger to others, they may call the Police 999 hotline.
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    We also urge all road users to try and be considerate and courteous to others on the road. As it is, Singapore's roads and lifestyles can be quite hectic and busy.
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    A little act of kindness such as giving way or signalling thanks can go a long way in making everyone's journey more pleasant and safe.
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    Tristan Sim
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    Assistant Director (Media Relations)
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    Singapore Police Force]

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    If you read carefully between the lines, there is tacit permission given to cyclists to cycle on footpaths if it is done in a safe, careful and considerate manner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetShooter
    If you read carefully between the lines, there is tacit permission given to cyclists to cycle on footpaths if it is done in a safe, careful and considerate manner.

    it is pretty obvious. if one does not belong to the 'errant' category of cyclists, then it is business as usual.

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    This view does not appear to be consistent with the 21st Feb 2003 release from the police.

    Perhaps the correct view would be if its riding on pavements, fine of S$20. If you ride on pavements negligently, recklessly or dangerously, the fine increases to S$1,000.00

    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    it is pretty obvious. if one does not belong to the 'errant' category of cyclists, then it is business as usual.
    Quote Originally Posted by StreetShooter
    If you read carefully between the lines, there is tacit permission given to cyclists to cycle on footpaths if it is done in a safe, careful and considerate manner.


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    Just to add on, for those interested, subsidiary legislation does provide as follows:

    Bicycle to be ridden on left side of road.
    8. Every bicycle shall be ridden close to the left hand edge of the roadway and in such a manner as not to obstruct vehicles moving at a faster speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123
    Well in Singapore, cyclists do not have a right of way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123
    This view does not appear to be consistent with the 21st Feb 2003 release from the police.

    Perhaps the correct view would be if its riding on pavements, fine of S$20. If you ride on pavements negligently, recklessly or dangerously, the fine increases to S$1,000.00
    it does not appear to be inconsistent. it is like saying about 'one side of the coin' in Feb 2003, then followed by 'the other side of the coin' recently.

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    what i'm saying is inconsistent is not the statement made by the police in feb 2003 being inconsistent to the one made in dec 2004.

    what i'm saying is that streetshooter's view that there is tacit permission given in the dec 2004 statement is inconsistent with the police's statement in feb 2003.

    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    it does not appear to be inconsistent. it is like saying about 'one side of the coin' in Feb 2003, then followed by 'the other side of the coin' recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123
    what i'm saying is inconsistent is not the statement made by the police in feb 2003 being inconsistent to the one made in dec 2004.

    what i'm saying is that streetshooter's view that there is tacit permission given in the dec 2004 statement is inconsistent with the police's statement in feb 2003.
    i think the SPF has been under pressure and deliberating on the position to adopt, especially when there were many requests for cyclists' lane on our roads. this request has been turned down as it is not a priority economically in land scare singapore(not my view). so, a middle of the road approach is thus adopted.

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    The police has forgotten to remind motorists to be courteous to cyclists as well, because if motorists do not view cyclists as proper vehicles will a right to the roads, cyclists will still ride on pavements for their "own safety".

    On cycle lanes, I don't think there is a need for one in Singapore. However, motorists should give way to cyclists, and recognise that bikes belong to the roads too. If motorists do not squeeze cyclists out of the lane, there will not be a need for cycle lanes.

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    cycle lanes would make good for a "race track" for those still hanging on to their motorized bikes. baaaaad idea. waste money redoing the paintwork on the roads too. roadies, mtb'ers riding to BT or ubin won't give a heavy-enough usage pattern to dictate the need for a cycling lane anyway.

    coexistence on the roads is a better thing. but generally, i wonder why, and what for, are drivers in a perpetual hurry in singapore for. maybe it's my luck, but all the people i've hopped into their vehicles on a drive that needs to go on the e'way, i'm on lane #1 almost without fail

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    News on 22 Dec, ST.

    Cyclist gets pinned under wheel of bus

    37-year-old cycling in a group in critical condition after bus hits and drags him
    By Teh Joo Lin

    A GROUP of about 40 cyclists looked on in horror as one of their group was pinned under the right front wheel of a bus in Lim Chu Kang Road on Sunday morning.

    Mr Sylvester Ang is now in a critical condition at National University Hospital after being rescued by the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF).

    The 37-year-old store designer was part of a group of cyclists who ride every Sunday on a trail that stretches from Thomson to Newton.

    The group had begun riding as usual at 8.30am and had turned from Neo Tiew Road into Lim Chu Kang Road when the accident occurred.

    Mr Richard Tann, 55, a general manager of a moving company, was ahead of the pack, when he saw a blue bus approaching from the opposite direction.

    Mr Tann said a lorry was parked in front of the bus, so he signalled to the bus driver to stop and not change lanes until the line of cyclists had passed.

    'But he showed me his middle finger and moved out of his lane,' he alleged. Seconds later, Mr Tann heard a 'very loud' bang.

    According to eyewitnesses, after the bus left its lane, the cyclists were forced to slow down and shift further to the left.

    Another member of the group said: 'Some (cyclists) were squeezed onto the grass patch... we were forced to bunch up together.'

    Some cyclists shouted at the driver to slow down, but in vain.

    The bus hit Mr Ang and dragged him for about 7m as it swerved back into its lane and stopped.

    According to the cyclists, Mr Ang's pelvic and left thigh region was stuck under the wheel of the bus.

    Said one of them, who declined to be named: 'His helmet was in pieces and his left leg was totally smashed. One of the riders who attended to him was a plastic surgeon. He told us not to touch his body.'

    Right after the accident, the bus driver was seen shaking his head and making calls on his cellphone. None of the passengers, believed to be tourists, got off the bus, said the cyclists.

    Together with the police, the SCDF arrived about 15 minutes later and rescued Mr Ang, using airbags to jack up the bus, said an SCDF spokesman.

    Mr Ang is now in intensive care. He is believed to have suffered severe head trauma, punctured lungs and multiple fractures to his lower limbs.

    The bus driver is now assisting police in investigations.

    Meanwhile, Mr Ang's family and friends are keeping vigil at his ward.

    Said one of his cycling mates: 'When we train together, he never gives up. Even when he is falling behind, he keeps pedalling, and the next thing you know, he is beside you again. But this must be the hardest race of his life.'

    Safety advice
    Wear a helmet and check brakes and tyres.
    Obey all traffic rules.
    Use hand signals when changing lanes.

    #End of report

    If drivers continue like this, how can we cyclists go on the roads safely?

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    It's quite rhetorical to give safety advice to cyclists when it's the bus driver at fault.

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    unfortunately, this is another instance of 'big' bullying the 'small' on the roads.
    mutual respect and consideration would have avoided this needless tragedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaler
    It's quite rhetorical to give safety advice to cyclists when it's the bus driver at fault.

    He is not too far from the truth about that...advising that is.

    Like an old saying goes: It is easier to change yourself then to change the many.

    Just because they are not fair to us cyclist does not mean we have to proof that point by going to hospital or worst. I rather be looking out for erratic drivers then to wait for them to spot me or give way to me. I have been cycling for 30 yrs..almost got killed twice but because I took a more alert approach to ride on the road. I treat all motorists as potential risk to me. No use trying to argue in your head when you are on a bike...because at the end of the day right way or wrong way...it has been proven by scientist that car will alway win over a mountain bike when they both collide.

    I am also one of those who is against inconsiderate cyclists especally those riding on pavement meant for the general public on foot. People who always ride on pavement ......like "king or queen" of the pavement are usually the one who get into accidents with cars and other heavy vehicles. They pick up alot of bad habits, seldom alert and lack the skills to ride properly left alone defensively on the road. They take things for granted. This is an observation I have seen for years. And also when I was doing my NS in the police force. Maybe I am a stickler for details and safety when it comes to cycling but hey.. I have been doing it for a long time and still doing it. My helmet has saved me 4 times from getting deep gashes, my gloves had save me from cuts when I fall off my bike and my flashing lamps back and front makes certain I am seen by all when I ride. I carry a first aid kit with me and I usually have to replenish it every few months. The good thing is, it is not for me but to help another one that got knocked down, cycle off course while looking at something in another direction, crash into another biker and not too long back... a mother who should have known better or should I say should know how to ride with her brain switched on while playing with her 4yr old kid who was running on the footpath at East Coast as she play chasing with him while she was on a bicycle. Someone called her from the rear and she turned around shouting back in reply..while still cycling for quite a distance. The kid stopped. Mother run over him with the bike. When they collided, she was still looking back. Boy got pretty banged up and was cut in a few places. I offered some first aid after I called for help. She blame her friends for distracting her by talking to her. Then she angrily ask the son why he stopped so suddenly and not move aside. Imagine that a 4 yrs old suppose to be smarter then a mother on a bycycle. The fact that she was cycling on a footpath meant she could have easily knocked someone else too.

    If you want to see how badly behave people can be on foot or on bike. Spend a day at East Coast. It is like..everyone left their eyes and common sense at home when spending a day relaxing at the beach. I sometime not only wish there are bicycle riding test for for anyone wanting to buy or ride a bike but also a walking test too for everyone who want to put on a pair of shoe and leave the house!
    Last edited by sammy888; 22nd December 2004 at 03:52 PM.

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    that was SOME excused-brain action from the mum. i dont think she managed to mince the son up with the chainring of the bike, thankfully.

    incidentally, if any of you have a rough track of how the papers report on the typical middleaged chap involved in a fatal accident, practically none ever mention if the victim was, or was not wearing a helmet.

    though in this case, the presence of a helmet may have made the difference, but the damage has already been done.

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    Sad case. My colleague’s husband and his friend met an accident yesterday when cycling. So far, I only know that it was a hit-and-run case. Lucky some people were around and called for the ambulance but he is still in critical condition. Hope he makes it through and recover soon.

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