and TS is comparing entry level cameras (point and shoot) i will assume since he mention normal camera.
X100 obviously is not a entry level camera as it has a bigger sensor (its even bigger then m4/3) as compared to a normal camera which sensor is smaller then even a m4/3 camera.
And I was also saying, such normal cameras is catching up these days with DSLR but there is still a disparity when you compare high ISO.
So my sentence still stands, DSLR still has superior ISO as compared to a normal camera (entry level point and shoot if that is what TS means by normal camera).
"the most distinctive is the ISO...
DSLR ISO is cleaner then compact cameras although nowadays these compact cameras are catching up.
but if u compare a few years back... the ISO from entry level DSLR Canon 450D wins any compact cameras from that era hands down."
While TS does mention "normal" in the subject line, your post only mentions "compact", which would include big-sensor compacts. Your post didn't limit the comparison to "normal" compacts.
Anyway at my very rudimentary skill level I wouldn't want to be arguing with you or anyone else here. I'll just keep quiet and learn from everyone instead.
and guess which year Canon 450D was released? I bet compacts back in those years is no comparable to entry level DSLR at high ISOs.
and the recent years, compacts is chasing up but there is still disparity as majority of these compacts still lose out to DSLR.
at your rudimentary level, u also need to learn how to read carefully.
Guys, let's not worry about semnatics, especially since like certain other branches of technology (e.g. computers, where portable, ultraportable, ultrabook, etc, and many other obscure terms are also present), the definition of a "compact camera" is not clearly defined. It gets a bit silly when 2 people end up just debating about definition of words and what is right, or downplaying themselves to prove some point which is not apparent to me at least. Just state your point, clarify, move on.
Let's just look at Wikipedia:
Point-and-shoot camera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Don't think you can call X100 a compact camera given this definition (ironically, this is also debatable).A point-and-shoot camera, also called a compact camera, is a still camera designed primarily for simple operation
Yet Fujifilm calls it a compact: Home | The FinePix X100 Professional Photographer's compact digital camera from Fujifilm
DPReview too: Fujifilm unveils FinePix X100 large-sensor compact: Digital Photography Review
So does Thom: Fujifilm X100 Camera Review
So how? Just by plain reading of the term "compact", it's debatable whether the X100 is indeed "compact". If you're talking about a large camera bag, sureeee it's compact. If you're talking about a jeans pocket I'm afraid not, unless you're a rapper or something. Everything's relative, isn't it?
Life's too short (which is relative as well). Let's just clarify what we all meant factually without trying to outdo each other or something. Cheers!
"although these compact cameras are catching up" implies they're still lagging behind, which is what I'm disagreeing to. IMO the X100 has already caught up, though many might not agree with me. The "few years back" portion is largely irrelevant because your first statement is "the most distinctive IS ISO", the "IS" showing what is factually correct at the present.
That you are referring to "basic compacts" appears to be an afterthought because the word "basic" doesn't appear in your original post.
Anyway I agree with Edutilos. Let's not quibble over semantics, and definitely not get worked up. This is a photography forum.
These are compacts:
Compact cameras - Canon Singapore - Personal
It's back to school for you.
Source - http://dondavisphotography.blogspot....ze-charts.html
Larger sensors always wins. This is the FACT.
Your definition of compact and mine differs. So I am right so are you. You can disagree with me, I can also laff at your poor reading skills.
Ok now this is really my FINAL posting on the matter. Reminds me of those lovers who keep saying "bye bye" but never hang up.
Addendum: Now that you've edited your post to tell me that it's "back to school" for me, seems like it's going to be the case for the folks at Fuji and DPReview. And strangely enough, the people at Canon, who call the G1X (with a sensor a little bit larger than the m43) a "digital compact camera"
Last edited by pbear1973; 14th March 2012 at 06:13 PM.
Take a chill pill, imho, I dont think this is worth quarrelling for, esp in front of a newbie in the forum.
Sinn-bro, by saying going back to school for him is as if saying he is unlearned.
All photographers have a bit of pride in their knowledge/skills as well.
Or buy 2nd hand set from B&S to try you hand on DSLR photography. Can always sell away if the DSLR is not your cup of tea.
Link below are articles for you to read and understand the subject of photogrpahy...
Articles and Guides
I don't know if Linmei is really dishonest or it's just a misunderstanding, but the thread does have useful tips about BnS.
Move on dude.Originally Posted by pbear1973
I am here talking how sensor size.
While here u are talking about size of camera.
When ts ask why u should buy a DSLR over normal camera. Obviously he is refering to a normal point and shoot. And before you butt in to disagree, when i say compact i nvr refer to size of camera but rather a DSLR technical specification in particular sensor size producing better ISO capabilities over a point and shoot (normal camera as TS calls it).
X100 have a APS-C sensor which is equivalent to a Canon crop camera. I wasnt even comparing this way in the first place! Now get the drift?
We will never come to an understanding when we are of different wave lengths.
By telling u to go back to school. Is to ask u to read about the sensor of the sensor and its impact on ISO to understand my original post.
Large sensor produces better ISO capabilities vs smaller sensor produces less ISO capabilities.
Right? Wrong? u decide.
Shooting at ISO 1600 using a DSLR comparing a ISO 1600 using point and shoot. Which is cleaner and better? i had really to use point in shoot in case u are reading too much into it as a compact (size) camera.
One possible reason why fuji classifies x100 as compact can be due to its size. But in reality, its technical specification is equivalent to a canon crop DSLR camera. And thats far superior when u compare with a normal point and shoot, i dun care a hoot about x100 vs D7K cos that wasn't TS asking in the first place. And you dun pay 1000s to buy a normal camera like x100! You pay significant lesser for a point and shoot COMPACT camera.
HI guys, its me again.
Yes ive gone down to funan yesterday during my free time and took a look at some camaras, The shop owner roccommended me the Nikon D3100 which i thought was pretty sleek with its LCD screen, and the auto focus, gets its focus pretty quickly as well.
Most importants is that its quite cheap.
So how do you guys think of this camera.
Any way one more question. Since im thinking of going overseas, and the DSLR is really bulky. i was thinking if its worth the dragging and carrying around.
I don't really like the viewfinder though, a but too small and dark for me. But if you're going to be shooting mostly in liveview mode (i.e. with LCD) you're all set. In any case VF is a personal preference.
The other thing is that the D3100 can only autofocus with AF-S lenses, the ones with the internal motor. AF lenses work fine too but you need to manual-focus.
Something you want to remember when you start buying lenses.
the long answer is that as you have seen in this thread (not to mention the unlimited threads online) that all these equipment discussions never end haha... every camera has it's pros and cons, and we have not touched on every lens/flash/filter/tripod etc etc etc has it's pros and cons... and aaargh which shops in funan has it's pros and cons
it's a chicken a egg question... you only discover what you want after trying it out, then you can make a slightly more informed decision, then try out more things to see if that's what you want. And trying out DSLR can get quite expensive quickly
on a quick note I suggest when you are deciding your budget factor in buying a dry cabinet (starts from around $100), extra battery (non-orginal ones start from around $20) and tripod (range wildly from less than 100 to thousands). Maybe after thinking about these you may think twice =p
and just saw your post about bulkiness... that's really important, cos the best camera is the camera that you're carrying
Finally, I think since you have so many questions (and started another thread hehe) you should seriously consider doing it one step at a time. Get a compact with manual controls (I suggest something like Canon S100 or equivalent since you already have the budget), learn about the manual controls then move on from there =)
btw you will have to know your camera well to make full use of it.
and also composition
Sorry, a little OT.Originally Posted by Rashkae
Welcome back Rashkae
As a step above PnS, D3100 is great. Price point is good but the AF motor that Rashkae pointed out is valid. You have to weight your needs and what the camera can provide. How far are you into photography?
How much more control beyond PASM do you need? How much more convenient you wish to have? What other features u are looking for beyond just taking a picture? Vari-angle LCD? All these are what better DSLR can provide over entry levels like D3100.