15th December 2004, 02:34 PM
Hey, i find point 2 to be extremely valid to me.. I havnt join any photoshoots before and dont think i will be paying for one anytime soon... I have longed to take flattering pics for my love ones, (especially my girlfren and relatives on their wedding day) but have not been pleased with my end results..
Originally Posted by Virgo
So it will be really good to join a photo session where the experts can share tips etc on the different angles and composition that FLATTER and BRING OUT THE BEST of the model. I for one know that when my pic is being taken, i would want to look good. My gal is very beautiful and have been sporting enuff to be my model for many occasions.. Yet i feel that i dont do her justice.. i.e: she looks better in person.. So i find that the purpose of group photo sessions is extremely valuable.. Even if a model is pretty etc, there are ways/vision to bring out the best by lighting control, angle, mood, posing etc..
Some of the pics posted here have members commenting things like "she should smile more etc" while the photographer had explained she dont look good smiling.. these i find are valid points for newbies like me to take note.
I do agree that some photographers just take pics of beautiful women and dont do justice to the model by taking less then flattering pics.. But hey, i'm guilty myself and by posting and asking for constructive comments, i guess that's how newbies improve..
15th December 2004, 02:36 PM
Here's my own little distraction which I heard from a guy on CNA's Get Real program recently. Think the topic was "Are Singapore Girls Hard To Love" or s.t. like that. This guy commented, I quote, "if you are in an argument with a woman and she's wrong, LET HER WIN." Think this comment is extremely suitable for this thread. We (the so called "guilty" parties) should all take a leaf from this guy and at the same time, take leave from this thread. Adios.
15th December 2004, 02:37 PM
dont think members of the fair sex wll take this down well...
Originally Posted by koolkat
but i guess that's your opinion and i do have to agree somewhat...
15th December 2004, 04:58 PM
I guess this is the answer, plain and simple.
1000 photographers and 20 models.
15th December 2004, 05:00 PM
15th December 2004, 05:13 PM
Can't resist but come back to this thread for this one post (hopefully my last)
Think Riva is going to be inflamed by this photoshoot:
15th December 2004, 05:21 PM
Hahaha! Good one.... its Japan where photography is a major hobby. Its very much intertwined into their culture... Even the "V" sign came from the Japanese who saw it on the American GIs. If you have ever been to Japan, you will know that the people in the streets would gladly pose for you. Been there like 4 times... I love the place. Quite different from present day Spore. Maybe when there's more acceptance then paranoia, we'll be as gracious too.
Originally Posted by 2100
15th December 2004, 07:21 PM
I think maybe coz u opened up something of a can of worms, & maybe it's ur use of words. Sometimes opinions are bound to be misunderstood. If everyone could see from everyone else's perspective, there'd be more peace.
Originally Posted by riva
Some ppl are bound to take things personally, or to follow up with some things they feel personally & get all excited. I think it's part of discussions.
15th December 2004, 07:37 PM
This is just an observation. U may not consciously ask us to see things ur way, but u do sound like u are. Actually until now I still dun really understand if there's something particular that's troubling u abt this "trend". Are u trying to preach a moral stand, or are u trying to understand why there are people who take photos for such reasons, or are u trying to actually ask for shoots of other nature, or u just wanna bash these ppl u feel deserves bashing? I think it would help if we know clearly where u're coming from with all this.
Originally Posted by pollock
The thing is u sound like u're going on an offensive & expect that ppl follow the 'code of photographer's honour' that u feel a true blue photog should be following. I'm sorry if I misinterpretted if it's not the case (I do feel that the replies from other ppl sometimes add oil to the flames), in which case pls do correct me.
My case in point: there are photogs out there, be it in CS or in Singapore, or even in the world, who shoot for different reasons. It is dangerous to assume that everyone is of the same mould. Before we jump to judge them (by our own standards no less), it is only fair to understand where they're coming from. Even if they're doing it for reasons of lust, what do u hope by hurling insults & stuff? Get other photogs to censure, ostracise, ban them? If that's the case, it may be easier to just suggest it & we all discuss.
15th December 2004, 07:39 PM
Yeah, I think it's an acceptance level or maybe confidence level thing. Down here, I guess ppl are more private I guess. If u point a camera at them, they'd think u're some stalker or PI trying to invade their privacy.
Originally Posted by Zplus
15th December 2004, 08:57 PM
who is J M Cameron? if a 'photographer' hiding behind a nick made some observations like riva and he/she owned average photo equipment(no high end stuffs), would your response be any different? if different, what would be the rationale?
Originally Posted by blurblock
Last edited by reachme2003; 15th December 2004 at 09:16 PM.
15th December 2004, 10:49 PM
Wow! It is interesting, to say the least, to see this thread piling up.
Anyway, reasons for not getting women of other ethnicity (at least for me):
1. Hard to convince them to pose for a bunch of photogs, or hard to find one who will do so
2. Asking for too much money, or not affordable to most
3. Doesn't have a certain look or doesn't know to pose properly (yes, looks are important depending on the end result you want, please watch ANTM, all seasons)
Shoots of any kind, be it models or landscape or whatever, is always a good chance for photographers to:
1. Share techniques
2. Learn new things about gear from others
4. Ask for help (newbies)
All these meets (depending on who turns up) also allow non-professional or non-fulltime photographers to meet up and know professional photographers or photojournalists. PJs tend to make friends with non-pro shooters - in future if they need help covering events, they'll know who to call and what not.
Can of worms or not, it has been a nice discussion.
15th December 2004, 11:28 PM
JM Cameron is a late female portrait photographer from the 19th century who is famous for her victorian styled portriats, most without smile and capture mood for most of her shots. The response will not be of any difference, I would still ask to look at her works before I decide the weight of her comment. If her works is of excellent quality which could capture soul so like Ms Cameron does, then I would take her words very seriously, especially on the part of "Smiling" .
Originally Posted by reachme2003
The rationale? Well, there is the difference between comment passed by a person who has vast experience and a person who just comment for the sake of passing casual remarks.
16th December 2004, 04:07 AM
True and Good answer.
Originally Posted by 2100