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    i really want to learn more abt taking shots of people............its just the culture that surrounds these has been a real turn-off......

    for me ....even if u bring ur dog for me to shoot ....ill be there........

    people say all this is about learning.......sadly there is commercial value to these model shots....when it comes down to the crunch....its all about money.......

    lets have more people post abt what they have learnt and what mistakes they have made.....

    pls dont flame me....and quote me......i am just speaking from my heart....if u dont agree...just say your piece.......and i can respect that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollock
    to all those whom i have truly offended.......im sorry.....

    those were harsh words...but there is much truth to those sweeping statements.......that im sure most of u will agree with me...........and i realise what i said might have been a little too broad....

    just that when i was reading up on taking portrait shots......all i see as constructive comments are ....." chio" and "can i see more of her legs"....

    and when a model shoot is arranged.....once people look at her ...if shes pretty ...there is a rush to join in.....doesnt that show where their true intents lie?.....like i know there was a case where the model couldnt make it .,...and immediately a few didnt want to go .....whats up with that?.....

    when they do attend a photosession....after expending more than 200 shots....they post pics of the model spreading and smiling ....thats all ?....i thought its supp to be a learning experience....what happened to all the failed shots?.....isnt that where we truly learn?

    My message is to those people…….if ur not guilty of such a thing what I say shouldn’t really bother yu coz im sure u notice the trend too….
    I see you are well versed in the art of only listening to things that is pleasing to your ears.

    I am sure not agreeing you with on your views.

    When a model cannot make it, there is defintely some people who do not want to go. Some people I know wanted to take a look at a picture of the model first so they can spend a few days trying to figure out best poses for her. These are novices who can't pose a model properly. On a last minute change, they are not confident of posing the new model, I don't see anything wrong with it.

    If you did not meet your end of the bargain, I don't see the reason why the paying party got to meet their end of the bargain?

    My answer to your message is, I am not guilty of such a thing, but what you say still bothers me as you are belittling the whole contigent of photographers in one scoop, and if no ones reply, especially those that are not guilty of such a thing, it would proof that you are right in belittling everyone. I am a believer of all are innocent unless proven guilty. By not answering to deframing statement is a prove of guilt. I do not know if you could understand that or not.

  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollock
    i really want to learn more abt taking shots of people............its just the culture that surrounds these has been a real turn-off......

    for me ....even if u bring ur dog for me to shoot ....ill be there........

    people say all this is about learning.......sadly there is commercial value to these model shots....when it comes down to the crunch....its all about money.......

    lets have more people post abt what they have learnt and what mistakes they have made.....

    pls dont flame me....and quote me......i am just speaking from my heart....if u dont agree...just say your piece.......and i can respect that...

    If you are afraid of being quoted or flame, don't say anything. If you truly respect other people's view, then you should listen to alternate views. Try to find mistake in my argument if you can.

    Why don't you start posting on the mistakes YOU had made. I sure didn't see any post of you posting on the mistakes YOU had made. If you can't do it yourself, I sincerely doubt you can convince others of doing it.

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    so what ur saying that is that i should think the way you do ?....and conform to your chain of thinking?.......

    its not a slamming session....just a view that i have.......why bother trying to say whos way of thinking is the right....

    im not even asking you to see things my way.....this is what i observe and other happen to think the same way.....

    if you just want to let things be as they are ...thats up to you too .....im not even going to bother to change the way you think....

    guilty or not ...is not for me to judge........let ur heart be the judge

  5. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollock
    so what ur saying that is that i should think the way you do ?....and conform to your chain of thinking?.......

    its not a slamming session....just a view that i have.......why bother trying to say whos way of thinking is the right....

    im not even asking you to see things my way.....this is what i observe and other happen to think the same way.....

    if you just want to let things be as they are ...thats up to you too .....im not even going to bother to change the way you think....

    guilty or not ...is not for me to judge........let ur heart be the judge
    I am not saying you should think the way I do, but you should not use degrading words such as Fags or be the judge of other people's doing. You have a view, I respect that, but if your view is deframtory, I think I can put a say on my views too.

    You are asking people who are not gulity of what you think to keep quiet so what you had said becomes true, I am not a buyer of that, unfortunately to you.

    I am quite sure there are some who go to photoshoots without the correct intention, but to make a sweeping statement against all with words such as

    "most of the people that go for the "photo shoots" are just fags who dont have the guts to go meet girls and just want to relish the time spent with one beautiful "model"......" or

    "ur no different from a male gyne who cant afford an internet connection to surf porn"

    are totally uncalled for. You can have your say, but degrading statements is another case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollock
    so what ur saying that is that i should think the way you do ?....and conform to your chain of thinking?.......

    its not a slamming session....just a view that i have.......why bother trying to say whos way of thinking is the right....

    im not even asking you to see things my way.....this is what i observe and other happen to think the same way.....

    if you just want to let things be as they are ...thats up to you too .....im not even going to bother to change the way you think....

    guilty or not ...is not for me to judge........let ur heart be the judge
    hi friend, what you say is true in someway, but not everyone down here in cs.

    What i heard: few years back, there was a studio shoot (naked, lady), abt 7 photographers attended.2 photographers ask the model to pose bending down here and there, while there is ONE guy actually goes behind the model while the model bend down and shoot the private part using mounted flash.

    end of wat i heard. i also finf it hard to believe, but my friend saw that!!! becos the lens pointed at the place.

    you say most pics down here very normal becos alot of photographers never come here. their portrait shots are damn damn gd, you juz did not have a chance to see thats all.

    singapore got alot of photographers and they can really shoot, juz that they never step into CS. some one i know dont even know theres such forum and website.

    bounce to have a black sheep in a bunch of white sheep.

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    let the fags and the gyne that cant afford internet connection to surf porn....speak up...coz i have defamed them !

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    Sigh ... let me try to create a small distraction ...

    Is anyone interested in joining me for a few shoots on this weekend and next week? Planning to go to places like the Zoo, JBP, Botanic Garden ...
    Last edited by Adam Goi; 15th December 2004 at 01:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperbird
    hi friend, what you say is true in someway, but not everyone down here in cs.

    What i heard: few years back, there was a studio shoot (naked, lady), abt 7 photographers attended.2 photographers ask the model to pose bending down here and there, while there is ONE guy actually goes behind the model while the model bend down and shoot the private part using mounted flash.

    end of wat i heard. i also finf it hard to believe, but my friend saw that!!! becos the lens pointed at the place.

    you say most pics down here very normal becos alot of photographers never come here. their portrait shots are damn damn gd, you juz did not have a chance to see thats all.

    singapore got alot of photographers and they can really shoot, juz that they never step into CS. some one i know dont even know theres such forum and website.

    bounce to have a black sheep in a bunch of white sheep.
    right on .....i agree...lots of God given talent here.......i hope that steps could be taken to makes sure such offenders dont get away with it.....

    i really would like to see more such shots....and let this be a learning place.......yeah ?......im going to start posting as well ......since i said it ...i got to walk the talk yeah ?........

    hope to learn from e guys that seem to have the eye for that special shot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollock
    let the fags and the gyne that cant afford internet connection to surf porn....speak up...coz i have defamed them !
    And you said you are not trying to stop people from answering to you? By doing so you are trying to tell people who answer you to admit that they are fags and gyne that can't afford internet connection to surf porn, is that your method of "free speech" by instilling embaressment and your own self perverted rightousness? By doing so you are trying to say you are correct whether or not anyone answers to you, and you said you are respecting other people's view? .....

    Too bad for you, I am not the buyer of this low down tactics of name calling either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Goi
    Sigh ... let me try to create a small distraction ...

    Is anyone interested in joining me for a few shoots on this weekend and next week? Planning to go to places like the Zoo, JBP, Botanic Garden ...
    Yo Adam, keep me notified

    My fingers a little itchy to shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Goi
    Sigh ... let me try to create a small distraction ...

    Is anyone interested in joining me for a few shoots on this weekend and next week? Planning to go to places like the Zoo, JBP, Botanic Garden ...
    is it saturday???

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    Quote Originally Posted by copperbird
    hi friend, what you say is true in someway, but not everyone down here in cs.

    What i heard: few years back, there was a studio shoot (naked, lady), abt 7 photographers attended.2 photographers ask the model to pose bending down here and there, while there is ONE guy actually goes behind the model while the model bend down and shoot the private part using mounted flash.

    end of wat i heard. i also finf it hard to believe, but my friend saw that!!! becos the lens pointed at the place.

    you say most pics down here very normal becos alot of photographers never come here. their portrait shots are damn damn gd, you juz did not have a chance to see thats all.

    singapore got alot of photographers and they can really shoot, juz that they never step into CS. some one i know dont even know theres such forum and website.

    bounce to have a black sheep in a bunch of white sheep.
    Wise up! what you have heard may be a distorted picture unless you saw it yourself. In any case, what is your point of bringing such isolated case up?
    I truly dont understand a person of your mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Goi
    Sigh ... let me try to create a small distraction ...

    Is anyone interested in joining me for a few shoots on this weekend and next week? Planning to go to places like the Zoo, JBP, Botanic Garden ...
    Nope sorry .... will not be in Singapore ..... End of the year holiday tour

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollock
    let the fags and the gyne that cant afford internet connection to surf porn....speak up...coz i have defamed them !
    Why say something like that??? I don't understand at all.

    Not that good to made such comments.

    Not everyone in CS deserve such sentences.

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    Oh goody ... my trick worked!

    Anyway, there's bond to be one this weekend ... gimme some time to plan ... will be asking for opinions from the SEEDers later; hopefully I'll be able to post one later this evening!

    To the rest who are getting worked up because of this thread, please leave your PC alone and take a breather ... you'll realise it's a bigger world out there and there are many things that deserve your attention!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCT
    Wise up! what you have heard may be a distorted picture unless you saw it yourself. In any case, what is your point of bringing such isolated case up?
    I truly dont understand a person of your mentality.
    Nah, he is just mentioning the fact there is such people, don't see anything wrong with that. What I am not disputing the fact there are indeed people with wrong intention in photography, I am not happy with the fact some people here are trying to belittle most, if not all photographers, on having evil intention in photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Goi
    Oh goody ... my trick worked!

    Anyway, there's bond to be one this weekend ... gimme some time to plan ... will be asking for opinions from the SEEDers later; hopefully I'll be able to post one later this evening!

    To the rest who are getting worked up because of this thread, please leave your PC alone and take a breather ... you'll realise it's a bigger world out there and there are many things that deserve your attention!
    Nope .. didn't bother to get worked up over such thiny issue. No good for health ... just follow the thread and see how interesting things and comments can come up with this thread...

    At the end of the day .. what did you gain ???

    Better go out there and shoot more .. whatever and whenever ... love to shoot models .. let it be then ... there are still many others things we can shoot hor ...
    AMPA * WPPI * J team

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    Quote Originally Posted by KNIGHT ONG
    Nope .. didn't bother to get worked up over such thiny issue. No good for health ...
    Eh....allo, everbody. Merry Xmas!

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    Oh my gosh!

    *Sigh*

    Adam, could you please close this thread? I don't see a point in leaving it open when most of the comments have become more personal than objective and constructive.

    I posted the comments in the hope that something constructive could come out of it. It was never personal.

    My point was on the lack of variety to the models in organised model shoots. And my second statement was a proposed possibility as to the reason for the mentioned lack of variety.

    The posting was not about the skill level of the photogs who attend such shoots.

    I was merely voicing an opinion. While I agree that perhaps the choice of words could have been different, the point remains the same.

    I didn't realise how touchy this subject was and that it would open up such a huge can of worms.

    While I may have a set of good lens and a good camera body, it does not automatically make me a pro or a good photog (although this is subjective as well). But I don't see how that would be relevant to my posting about the lack of variety. I don't have to be a chef or cook to comment on the items on a menu.

    Thank you to those who are able to be objective and see the posting as it is and comment from both sides.

    It is unfortunate that some harsh words were exchanged, and might still be going on, as a result of this post.

    I am just a fellow photog, who happens to be female, trying to voice an observation from my point of view.

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