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    At the pixel level, the D800 would have more handshake induced blur than say, a D700 at slow shutter speeds, but at the same output size for web or print, they will look the same.

    If you can shoot a reasonably sharp, handheld image at the pixel level with the D7000, you can do the same with the D800 because they have the same pixel density. Good handholding techniques are good handholding techniques, be it a D70 or a D800. Ignore the FUD on the net, concentrate on iproving your skills, irrespective of the camera body.

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    Actually it should be the same just that it is easier to notice on a hi res file because of all that detail

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    Actually it should be the same just that it is easier to notice on a hi res file because of all that detail
    Yes agreed with you bro, somehow even the flap of mirror closing down create small vibration, how true yet need someone to prove it. Anyway too late as mine on the way to singapore soon. Tks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    Actually it should be the same just that it is easier to notice on a hi res file because of all that detail
    Easier to notice at 100%, yes. At print or web sizes, not really. The key here is the pixel density, not the total megapixel size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly Agus

    Yes agreed with you bro, somehow even the flap of mirror closing down create small vibration, how true yet need someone to prove it. Anyway too late as mine on the way to singapore soon. Tks
    Where do you place the order?
    Will it be subjected to GST at custom?

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    Don't see any problems with sharpness, see attached handheld 1/8sec f5.3 90mm(28-300) iso 6400. I did not pay any special attention to specially holding it extra steady.

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    actually handholdability deals not just with pixel density but also with sensor size, which affects angle of coverage... let's take the following eg.:

    Format Normal Lens Lens Coverage 1/f MP for Equivalent Pixel Density
    APS-C/DX 33mm 39.51 1/33 15
    135mm/FX 50mm 39.6 1/50 36
    645DigiMF 70mm 39.81 1/70 82
    The above table shows three sensor formats, the "normal lens" for each format, the angle of coverage with the combination of lens and sensor format, "1/focal length" shutter speed estimate, and the pixel count equivalent to match the D800's sensor pixel density for each format...

    the angle of coverage is important in the discussion as it is a factor in how much detail can be seen with a particular setup... it is not so useful to talk, especially when comparing between different formats, about how much absolute detail a sensor can pick up if the angle of coverage, and thus the lens used, is not taken into account...

    as we can see, to cover a similar angle on the D800, a DX camera would need a 33mm lens... while the equivalent pixel density is only 15MP, this 15MP is used to cover the equivalent ~40, and it would only require a 1/f of 1/33 for a stable shot based on the 1/f guideline, compared with a 1/f of 1/50 for the D800... in other words, to cover the same angle, a D800 would need a faster shutter speed to be stable, and each pixel in the D800 covers a smaller angle...

    and if we were to extend this to digital medium format, a digital medium format camera of equivalent pixel density would be ~80MP (like Phase One's IQ180, although that has a slightly different angle of coverage compared to the sensor size I used to calculate the above)... and the "normal lens" would be a 70mm, thus requiring a 1/f of 1/70, with the ~80MP covering the same ~40 and therefore each pixel covering an even smaller angle...

    camera movement may be measured in terms of the angular displacement of the image angle of coverage... as we can see from above, each pixel of a smaller format is used to cover a larger angle than each pixel of a larger format for an identical total angle of coverage for each sensor format... thus, because the angle of coverage of the sensors is the same for each format in this comparison, for an identical amount of camera shake, each pixel in a smaller format is affected by a smaller relative angular displacement compared to the total angular coverage of each pixel on the sensor, compared with a larger format sensor of the same pixel density... from this, we can see that for the same pixel density, an equivalent amount of camera movement caused by hand shake would have a larger impact on a larger sensor format than for a smaller sensor format covering the same angle... and because a longer lens is used in a larger format to cover the same angle as with a smaller format, camera movement caused by a similar amount of hand shake would be more pronounced on a larger format compared to a smaller format...

    thus if we assume that pixel density on its own would affect handholdability, what follows from the above discussion is that this effect on handholdability is more pronounced on larger formats than smaller ones for the same pixel density at the per pixel level... but as others have mentioned, how much blurring due to handling that you may see also depends on how closely we look at the image and how large the image is being displayed... YMMV...
    Last edited by theRBK; 25th March 2012 at 06:29 PM.

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    Bro very chim leh, all I am saying is all these hype about how sensitive high pixel density is to camera movement that even the vibration from the mirror can cause blurrness in the photo and some people decided that the d800 is not for them for reasons like this. Thanks for the info bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Actururss

    Where do you place the order?
    Will it be subjected to GST at custom?
    My son bought for me in usa, he will be back early April, seem a gift for my Easter time. No GST bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by slow trekker
    Don't see any problems with sharpness, see attached handheld 1/8sec f5.3 90mm(28-300) iso 6400. I did not pay any special attention to specially holding it extra steady.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sred...3wE&feat=email
    Just a curiosity seem the picture was taken on 24 jan 2012, where D800 have not released yet, or the photographer got special camera to test . Anyway what ever your camera just shoot it and take good picture .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly Agus View Post
    Just a curiosity seem the picture was taken on 24 jan 2012, where D800 have not released yet, or the photographer got special camera to test . Anyway what ever your camera just shoot it and take good picture .
    Bro thanks for pointing that out it was taken on 23 March just that the camera date was not set correctly. no special pre release model, I got it on 23 March.

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    I have spoken to a few dealers and they have told me that there is stock at Nikon but to take 2 D800 and 2 D4, they must also take in like 300+ unsellable Nikon Coolpix P&S.

    Please bear in mind that they are not new models but outdated models and in weird colors. As a result, most shops are unable to accept the losses that they will incur and therefore have decided to pass on selling the D800 until Nikon stops with these strong arm behavior.

    So far, I know of only 6 D800 bodies that were delivered, anyone else can add to the list?

    Cathay 2
    Alaln Photo 2
    TK Foto 2

    If this is really true, I think I will give up on Nikon for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zixaw
    I have spoken to a few dealers and they have told me that there is stock at Nikon but to take 2 D800 and 2 D4, they must also take in like 300+ unsellable Nikon Coolpix P&S.

    Please bear in mind that they are not new models but outdated models and in weird colors. As a result, most shops are unable to accept the losses that they will incur and therefore have decided to pass on selling the D800 until Nikon stops with these strong arm behavior.

    So far, I know of only 6 D800 bodies that were delivered, anyone else can add to the list?

    Cathay 2
    Alaln Photo 2
    TK Foto 2

    If this is really true, I think I will give up on Nikon for good.
    Wow this is really sad I guess most people will have to get from overseas then....
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    Just wait lor.... more will come eventually and become abundant in shops by Dec 2012. (with ref to D7k initial hype)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackmbox
    Just wait lor.... more will come eventually and become abundant in shops by Dec 2012. (with ref to D7k initial hype)...
    But D7000 did not face a price hike in the beginning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zixaw View Post
    I have spoken to a few dealers and they have told me that there is stock at Nikon but to take 2 D800 and 2 D4, they must also take in like 300+ unsellable Nikon Coolpix P&S.

    Please bear in mind that they are not new models but outdated models and in weird colors. As a result, most shops are unable to accept the losses that they will incur and therefore have decided to pass on selling the D800 until Nikon stops with these strong arm behavior.

    So far, I know of only 6 D800 bodies that were delivered, anyone else can add to the list?

    Cathay 2
    Alaln Photo 2
    TK Foto 2

    If this is really true, I think I will give up on Nikon for good.
    Wow.. if this is true.. it is a very bad and stupid business model for the dealers and in the end the consumer suffer as prices will be jack up to recover the losses.
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    It worsen the unnatural low supply and high demand...
    Maybe it's a strategy. I'd seen it in a recent hong kong drama abt rice demand in china in the Qing dynasty. Similar to this situation but dunno if it applies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zixaw View Post
    So far, I know of only 6 D800 bodies that were delivered, anyone else can add to the list?

    Cathay 2
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    I believe MSC also got 2 stock because I'm "lucky" number 3 on the list.

    Really feel like selling all my lenses and going to get a Canon 5D MKIII but then I'll probably lose out $2k by doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zixaw View Post
    I have spoken to a few dealers and they have told me that there is stock at Nikon but to take 2 D800 and 2 D4, they must also take in like 300+ unsellable Nikon Coolpix P&S.

    Please bear in mind that they are not new models but outdated models and in weird colors. As a result, most shops are unable to accept the losses that they will incur and therefore have decided to pass on selling the D800 until Nikon stops with these strong arm behavior.

    So far, I know of only 6 D800 bodies that were delivered, anyone else can add to the list?

    Cathay 2
    Alaln Photo 2
    TK Foto 2

    If this is really true, I think I will give up on Nikon for good.
    there are other dealers who have the stock not only these 3, don't forget dealers like harvey norman, bally photo so lets not jump into conlcusion shall we?

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    Heard soon some stock coming...

    Patiently waiting

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