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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    Japan The Lost Decade

    Taiwan's Corruption, along with their ex-president

    Korea's constant threat from the North

    Inflation in HK and Housing Woes


    these are really just a few major problems, which i could probably list more. apart from what HK has (which we only have to a smaller degree), the rest is almost non-existent in sg.

    may i ask what is your definition of success then? because i don't exactly know what u are bench marking against.

    You mistake success of ppl with success of government again with these examples.
    Foxconn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinholecam View Post
    You mistake success of ppl with success of government again with these examples.
    Foxconn?
    What is good governance then, or an example of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinholecam View Post
    You mistake success of ppl with success of government again with these examples.
    Foxconn?
    Foxconn a success?

    BBC News - Foxconn suicides: 'Workers feel quite lonely'

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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    What is good governance then, or an example of it?
    Frankly no ideal model and the needs shifts anyway in times and situations.
    Would have to write an essay on it and still never be 'correct' since all are subject to the norms wants/needs of the times.

    Very basic would be a roof over the head, food, peace and security.

    Perhaps by extension :
    1. More transparency
    2. More chance and avenues of participation and feedback
    3. Infrastructure
    4. General rule of law
    5. Peace
    6. More concern for environment


    My original point however is not to over credit government for the success of a country when even if not more credit is due for it people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post

    Its a business and never pretends to be something else.

    Thats digressing from the point anyway.
    Country's success can be due to the ppl and not overly credited to the government.
    Last edited by pinholecam; 5th January 2012 at 03:03 PM.

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    I think the 60% raise in 2007 should still be alright for the 35% pay cut in 2012?
    Singapore announces 60 percent pay raise for ministers - The New York Times

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    I think the 60% raise in 2007 should still be alright for the 35% pay cut in 2012?
    Singapore announces 60 percent pay raise for ministers - The New York Times
    when will i have 60% pay rise? 60% of $600 = $360, but 60% of some large sum is a big big figure!!! hmm so i should ask , when will i have such fat salary? when will others have such salary too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    tell me the number of times they got things right?

    i feel a little sad for people working in public sector. when things are going all fine and well, when things are all gay, no one tells them they are doing a good job.

    yet when problems occur, **** quite literally hits the fan for them.
    hi allen,

    i must tell u that at no point i am blaming the civil servants.. i never enjoy targeting those without heavy responsibility.

    btw, do u also post at *** MP facebook when u see something not right, like u did to CSM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfoto100 View Post
    hi allen,

    i must tell u that at no point i am blaming the civil servants.. i never enjoy targeting those without heavy responsibility.

    btw, do u also post at *** MP facebook when u see something not right, like u did to CSM?
    i can guess which 3 letters.

    and yes i do, provided i spot something amiss in my feed. george yeo too. i'm guessing most don't actually read and reply. the internet is not a good medium actually for a 1-1 convo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    i can guess which 3 letters.

    and yes i do, provided i spot something amiss in my feed. george yeo too. i'm guessing most don't actually read and reply. the internet is not a good medium actually for a 1-1 convo.
    yes, typing too much is tiring.. it is best they engage us in real life more.. and really listen and leave the NATO

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    We only ask one thing from the ministers and MPs:

    有富同享,
    有难同当.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    We only ask one thing from the ministers and MPs:

    有富同享,
    有难同当.
    I wan to click on super like button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenleonhart View Post
    i can guess which 3 letters.

    and yes i do, provided i spot something amiss in my feed. george yeo too. i'm guessing most don't actually read and reply. the internet is not a good medium actually for a 1-1 convo.


    jus curious...are u still a student?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jollin View Post
    jus curious...are u still a student?
    he is. President's Scholar

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    he is. President's Scholar

    thxs..
    no wonder, that explains everything.....

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    Don't be too impressed by the wayang. In other countries, aspiring politicians pay with their liberty (Aung San Suu Kyi), some with lives and don't talk about high pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex
    Don't be too impressed by the wayang. In other countries, aspiring politicians pay with their liberty (Aung San Suu Kyi), some with lives and don't talk about high pay.
    Yes... These r amazing ppl... Hope aung san suu kyi lives long life....

    Nelson mandela comes to my mind also...

    Anyway today chinese newspaper (night one) , headline says pm? worries abt not being able to attract talents... Sigh... I give up lah... I dunno wat to say stamp feet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jollin

    thxs..
    no wonder, that explains everything.....
    No choice lah... Need to come out face reality, kena asked to resign bcos company dun wan to retrench, n kena retrench in next job.. Kena jialat jialat from ft... Kena clearing **** leave down by brillant fts bcos they just gd at talking.. Then one will wake up... N think why....

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    The amount saved through this exercise on the revised Ministers' salaries (I estimate about 40% saved) should not be transferred from the left pocket to the right pocket of the gahmen.

    This amount saved should be used instead as a NATIONAL BONUS and be distributed to all true local citizens (i.e no PRs).


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