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    Just to share some info on Radioactive Lenses, esp. for newbies.

    Radioactive lenses - Camerapedia

    Well, i haven't come across any authoritative conclusion of the associated risks using such lenses, e.g. causing damage to eyes/sensor after prolong usage, to use or not to use them its all up to you to decide.
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    Considering the low level of radiation, and that peak radiation is only at the very surface of the lens, I really doubt you need to worry unless you sleep with these lenses under your pillow for many months on end. Furthermore, radiation is omnidirectional, and thus would not be focused on the eye only.

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    older lenses were made with lead in the glass too - highly toxic if u decide to chew on them

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    1 mR/hr? That's like 0.01 mSv/hr. You should probably be more worried about the trace element of plutonium in your banana.

    My geiger counter is currently displaying a background radiation level of 0.09 μSv/hr or 0.00009 mSv/hr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motionstills View Post
    Just to share some info on Radioactive Lenses, esp. for newbies.
    Radioactive lenses - Camerapedia
    Well, i haven't come across any authoritative conclusion of the associated risks using such lenses, e.g. causing damage to eyes/sensor after prolong usage, to use or not to use them its all up to you to decide.
    From Wikipedia for Thorium:
    Despite its radioactivity, thorium fluoride (ThF4) is used as an antireflection material in multilayered optical coatings. It has excellent optical transparency in the range 0.35–12 m, and its radiation is primarily due to alpha particles, which can be easily stopped by a thin cover layer of another material.[16]...
    What are you worried about?

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    You probably don't want to be too concern about this, but it's good to be aware what you have in your collection and possible risks, quote another article,

    Radioactive Elements in Glass
    Thorium is derived commercially from certain monazite sands (e.g., from India). Thorium is
    radioactive itself, emitting alpha particles. The resulting "daughter" products of that radioactive
    decay series also produce both alpha and beta particles. Related rare earth such as lanthanum are
    often produced from the same sources, with monazite being up to 25% lanthanum.
    This decay process means these thoriated glass lenses can gradually become more radioactive over
    time, as the more highly radioactive decay products build up in the glass. This result is counterintuitive.
    You would expect the radioactivity to decrease over time. But after chemically purifying
    the thorium from its ore sources, the thorium is relatively free of these daughter products. Over
    time, the thorium decays, and the levels of radioactive daughter by-products builds up. Eventually
    a more highly radioactive equilibrium will be reached, as in the original radioactive ores. So over
    the years, your "hot" lenses are likely to get more radioactive rather than less. Surprise!

    Lanthanum has two isotopes in its natural form, one of which is weakly radioactive. Another
    source of rare earths such as lanthanum is cerite, which contains the element cerium. Cheap
    glasses may have iron salts in them, often yielding the familiar green color of some iron salt
    contaminated glasses. Cerium is often added to glass to convert iron impurities into colorless
    compounds, yielding clear glass suitable for optical uses. Unfortunately, the rare earths include
    some chemically very similar elements as contaminants, many of which are mildly radioactive.
    The chemistry of lanthanum and its associated rare earths is so closely related that it is readily
    possible to have radioactive contaminants end up in the desired lanthanum salts used in making
    optical glasses. The amount of such contaminants could also easily vary from batch to batch,
    depending on the degree of contamination in the original monazite or other mineral sources being

    I don't think that the original levels of thorium or lanthanum specified for use in these lenses [e.g.,
    in patent filings] is the cause of their radioactivity. Later lenses of the same exact design and glass
    formulas, but from later batches with higher serial numbers, do not exhibit any similar degree of
    radioactivity. Nor do they suffer from yellow discoloration over decades of time. So it isn't the
    thorium or the lanthanum that causes the problem here. The radioactivity of these early lenses is
    caused by contaminants in the ingredients (e.g., thorium salts) used to make the early lenses. It is
    these radioactive contaminants which cause these lenses to be more radioactive than their later
    (more purified) batches of the same design.

    However, don't assume that all yellow lenses are necessarily radioactive. Many lenses turn yellow
    due to aging of the Canada Balsam adhesives used to glue lenses together. Other lenses may have
    coloration biases which make them slightly yellowish rather than clear, or other colors depending
    on the glass. But if you have a lens using early specialty glasses (wide angles, fast lenses..) from
    before the 1970s, you should consider checking your lens for radioactivity. Most school physics
    labs can do this, as can local Civil Defense offices and police or fire emergency response teams.
    Another important point here is that these contamination levels vary from batch to batch,
    depending on the contamination in the sands used to make the impure chemicals being used. So
    you have to test each lens to determine if it is radioactive, and how "hot" any given lens really is.
    Tests of one lens from one batch won't apply to another lens made from another batch of
    chemicals with different levels of radioactive contaminants. You have to test each lens to be sure.


    Alpha particles can only go through a few inches of air, and are stopped by a sheet of paper. But
    they can interact strongly with the surface of the cornea of the eye held near the glass for long
    periods. This event happens when an alpha particle emitter is used in the glass of a telescope or
    microscope eyepiece. Such exposures can produce cancers and radiation burns after long exposure
    and daily use.


    Beta particles can penetrate a few feet in air, or a range of thicknesses of cloth, paper, and other
    materials. The beta particle emitters are most important photographically. Beta particles can
    penetrate camera shutters and film cassettes to fog film next to radioactively "hot" lenses left in
    your camera bag. Gamma and xrays can do so too, but their intensity is usually much less from
    the contaminants in glass than for beta particles.


    Just how radioactive are typical "hot" lenses? Studies of a half dozen Leica lenses (see postings
    below) came up with 1.5 milliroentgens/hr. This figure compares to 20 milliroentgens (mrem) per
    day maximum permissible dosage in many western countries. But that 20 mrem is for whole body
    exposure, while the lenses mostly emit shorter range beta and alpha particles. On the other hand,
    it may take just a single gamma ray to turn one of your cells into a cancerous cell and cause a
    tumor. These 1.5 mrem/hr levels are surprisingly high compared to typical levels for radiation
    full article can be found here Radioactive lenses

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    Agree. No cause for concern. But still, it's good to know. Something to add in our knowledge bank.

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    Below from UK MOD's Radiation Safety Handbook

    Gamma radiation is emitted from thoriated lenses, beta radiation from layers within a few mm of the surface and alpha radiation from the immediate surface layer.
    Homogenous thorium oxide lenses (17% w/w) give external beta/gamma dose rates of ~ 100 Sv h-1 and for an eye placed close to an unprotected
    lens, ~ 3 mSv h-1 alpha dose rate to the surface of the cornea.

    Thorium fluoride coated lenses can only give up to a few Sv h-1 beta/gamma dose rate but, as above can give an alpha dose rate to the cornea of ~ 3 mSv h-1.
    Dose rates fall off rapidly with distance such that significant exposure is only likely for those who work in close proximity for extended periods or those
    handling bulk quantities.

    The internal hazard from homogenous thorium oxide lenses is negligible unless breakage occurs and shards of glass penetrate the skin, leading to
    only a minor hazard to the local tissue (due to the insolubility of the thorium oxide present in the glass).

    Thorium fluoride coatings, on the other hand, are prone to flaking leading to contamination which could potentially be taken into the body. Additionally,
    a shard of glass from a breakage could penetrate the skin leading to uptake of soluble thorium fluoride and a more significant internal radiation dose,
    possibly of the order of 1 mSv.
    full article can be found here

    Just be more informed of what you are handling and take necessary precaution then you will be safe and happy taking light doesn't mean safe to cross, watch your steps and look out for errant drivers.
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