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    hi,

    before u close this cos u think its non-photography related, pls read on

    i have this idea to do a light-box(i dunno wats the actual name). the idea is i will construct a box using probably acrylic(havent decided on the actual material yet). the effect will be like those bright boxes that doctors use to view ur x-rays on.

    next i wanna paste some photos on the box, so that when the light is on, the photos will be "lighted" up. therefore i would need a place where i can develop photos into thin(very think) sort of transparency "film" or material, so that the light can "illuminate" the photo. erm, the photo should still be relatively sharp, at least able to make out details(photos will be mostly of people)

    if you guys are still not lost till this point,
    any idea if any of the labs or some place provides this material or service?
    or do u guys have any suggestions on the box?

    trying to make this for a souvenir

    thank you for ur patience
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    Quote Originally Posted by wainism
    hi,

    before u close this cos u think its non-photography related, pls read on

    i have this idea to do a light-box(i dunno wats the actual name). the idea is i will construct a box using probably acrylic(havent decided on the actual material yet). the effect will be like those bright boxes that doctors use to view ur x-rays on.

    next i wanna paste some photos on the box, so that when the light is on, the photos will be "lighted" up. therefore i would need a place where i can develop photos into thin(very think) sort of transparency "film" or material, so that the light can "illuminate" the photo. erm, the photo should still be relatively sharp, at least able to make out details(photos will be mostly of people)

    if you guys are still not lost till this point,
    any idea if any of the labs or some place provides this material or service?
    or do u guys have any suggestions on the box?

    trying to make this for a souvenir

    thank you for ur patience
    Ok, this is what you see it in local food court, it can be done in Pro Lab, ask for lightbox display transparencies.
    I think inkjet print also have, check out shops in Bras Basah Complex, lightbox also have it there.

    Hope this help

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    wats Pro Lab?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wainism
    wats Pro Lab?
    Professional Color Lab....... like RGB, Spectra, Alberts etc,

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    hi,

    anyone has any recommendations where i can find the "lightbox" in bras basah
    not too familiar with the place

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    anyone??????????

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    how many of those photo u need to make?

    if A4 size is big enough, just get those transparency paper for inkjet, and use a normal inkjet printer to print on it, tried before, the quality still very good

    for lightbox, i think A4 size one wont be cheap...how about just a box with a few fluourscent lights, then put a white acryllic sheet on top?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wainism
    hi,

    before u close this cos u think its non-photography related, pls read on

    i have this idea to do a light-box(i dunno wats the actual name). the idea is i will construct a box using probably acrylic(havent decided on the actual material yet). the effect will be like those bright boxes that doctors use to view ur x-rays on.

    next i wanna paste some photos on the box, so that when the light is on, the photos will be "lighted" up. therefore i would need a place where i can develop photos into thin(very think) sort of transparency "film" or material, so that the light can "illuminate" the photo. erm, the photo should still be relatively sharp, at least able to make out details(photos will be mostly of people)

    if you guys are still not lost till this point,
    any idea if any of the labs or some place provides this material or service?
    or do u guys have any suggestions on the box?

    trying to make this for a souvenir

    thank you for ur patience

    Souvenir?? What are you actually trying to make here and what size? The type of medium you are talking about...that is the picture that is lit from the back by a series of flourescent lights is call DURATRANS. It is a film process and not the type you find in Bras Basah printing out on large size bubble jet printers. You could get those bubble jet print out version but you have to also ask yourself...how long do you want this picture to last. Duratrans will last you many many years without any colour fading even when you keep the picture well lit all the time. With those bubble jet printed ones that some of the folks here talked about..they are not as long lasting and certain colour range will start to fade in just a few weeks or months depending on how strong a back lit light you use and if it is near to day light.

    Something like 2 feet wide by 4 feet..approx... cost about S$90.00. RGB and Albert Photo are two companies I would normally use to make mine for advertising purposes. but note DURATRANS need to be lit to be seen. When the light is swtiched off you see only a very dark image.

    You can of course make your own light-box but making it out of acrylic is too expensive and impractical. Acrylic is a more expensive type of plastic to use. You might use a 1-2mm acrylic sheet for the outer covering to protect and hold your picture film in place. Sandwich by a white oblige 1-2mm plastic sheet.

    Just my two cents...

    Let me know if you need more information.
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    hi,

    i didnt know there was so much knowledge involved. sorry i didnt make my project more clear.

    i wanna make a CUBE that measures 15cmx15cmx15cm(which means i need 5 x (15cm x15cm squares). as it would be a personal sourvenir, i dun think it will be on all the time and it will be kept in a bed room. the bulb and stuff, i planned to DIY(if possible) and the light box using acrylic.

    the problem now is how do i get the pictures on the light box.

    its a gift more of a sourvenir actually. the pictures will be like collages. any idea how am i gonna "glue" or "stick" the transparency or duratans on to the box?

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    anyone?????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by wainism
    hi,

    i didnt know there was so much knowledge involved. sorry i didnt make my project more clear.

    i wanna make a CUBE that measures 15cmx15cmx15cm(which means i need 5 x (15cm x15cm squares). as it would be a personal sourvenir, i dun think it will be on all the time and it will be kept in a bed room. the bulb and stuff, i planned to DIY(if possible) and the light box using acrylic.

    the problem now is how do i get the pictures on the light box.

    its a gift more of a sourvenir actually. the pictures will be like collages. any idea how am i gonna "glue" or "stick" the transparency or duratans on to the box?
    Hi....

    Okay I think I got your details more clearly now. I have drafted a visual to better explain things to you. Good thing it is a Sunday and I am resting up and just surfing the net after spending quite a numbers of hours walking at the Car Show yesterday

    Anyway...have a look at this drawing I made and then I will try to tell you what you need to consider apart from just the film problem I am doing this becos I sense you have a good idea but am new to building something like that.

    http://gallery.clubsnap.com/showphot...cat/500/page/1

    Layer a) is as I mentioned earlier is maybe your acrylic clear layer (1-2mm thick) that is part of a twin layer you will need to sandwich and hold your picture in place. the other layer is a white oblique PVC plastic sheet.(2mm thick) Now you must remember this bit. Alway have some 2 layers to sandwich your pciture to it. Never use spray glue or some other adhesive stuff to stick your picture to a frame..etc Glue or spray glue will ruin your picture as well as those glue imperfect layer will shine through your picture when you switch the light on. And you sandwich the picture for another reason..to remove any uneven-ness that is the picture..to smooth it out for a nice look without the crinkles.

    The dotted line drawing is to represent how your cube will looked when fixed up along with the TOP and BOTTOM panel. (Your bottom panel as I see it, you want to place another picture as well)

    Now, you have to find a way to not just mount all the layers up to form each SIDE of the cube but how to hold all of them together including the light source inside, light mounting....and all this within one of the smalled lightbox I have ever hear anyone doing it!! heheh....15cm X 15cm x 15cm.

    Your biggest problem is HEAT especially if you are using tungsten light bulb...as in those warm cheap light bulb. Given the small cube size, using plastic and your precious duratrans picture...I can't say how it will last even a few days without something melting off or warping the cube shape. Ventilation is a problem you have to keep in mind when doing lightbox. And in your case, given the size, try to look into any kind of light source that puts out the least amount of heat.

    The only ones I think would suit your need are those fluorescent electric saving round or short tube-like lamp source. With these types, you have to rethink your wiring as you have to have space to install the electric choke and starter module as well. Without them, you can't startup the light system. If you don;t know what I am talking about regarding this lighting..better you get someone who does thus you dont get eletrocuted. You could also look into halogen lamps but they too can be pretty hot. And trying to find a light source that fit your 15cm height and 15cm width will be a challenge.

    Even with less heat inducing light source, you still need to make enough openings to allow for ventilation as some degree of heat will still be present and might pose some safety issue.

    You have to also allow for the illumination to be as uniform as possible for the light to shine out of the cube to light up your picture. If that is not done well enough you will find your picture not well illuminated, or have dark corners or worst...the light is too bright. You could install a dimmer to control the intensity to solve that problem I guess...and it does look nice with a dimmer to let you tone it down for that romantic mood for the room

    You might have to visit some of those DIY store that sells framing ideas to help you combine all the sides together and form this cube. Look for those multi joint fixtures to help hold all the sides together but still easy to open to service the cube lamp. You can try Bras Basah Complex which host a number of shops that specialises in printing to framing to all those hobbist arts and craft stuff. That place can also give you more ideas as to how best to go about it. Or in the worst case scenario...rethink your cube idea and maybe change it into another shape. How about considering a long rectangular box instead and then work that with a top lamp shade to form a table top lamp shape with a "pictorial vase" box.

    Well I am not able to give you a one fit "solution" but hopefully I have point you in some direction you can take to bring it all together depending on your personal ability, styling and budget.
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    sammy888,

    really appreciate all your feedback. now i will just have to crack my head after my exams to see if this is actually possible. i got this idea from some art fest. thought it looked quite cool. didnt realise it would be so much work

    this is a gift for my gf. i really hope i pull it off, as she is pretty irritated with me when i constantly stop to look at cameras and stuff. haha

    well, i will let u noe if i actually succeed and hope u can help me if i need more advice. thanx!!!

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    there is a material called yupo that can still be seen even if it not backlighted, you might want to consider that.

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