Which external Flash for 717?

finkster · 2nd March 2003

I need some advice on which external flash unit to get. I know there are so many to choose from, so let me narrow it down just a little bit.

1) To be used on a simple digicam for now (Needs bracket to mount). Later to be used with a 717.
2) Cable & shoe triggered.
3) Ability to mount diffusers & bounce cards.
4) Auto-power output sensor.
5) Entry-level ($100-250)
6) Tilt-able head. Preferably with swivel as well.
7) Mountable on a bracket (as mentioned in the first point)

Any opinions on Sony's HVL-F1000?

Anyway, it's not for myself, but a friend who is planning to upgrade to a 717 in a few months. Meanwhile, he'll use it on a P&S digicam.

loleelu · 3rd March 2003

well, i've gathered that if you got a choice, don't get the f1000. check out the accessories list in the other thread.

f55user · 3rd March 2003

Metz 32MZ-3 ($198)
Metz 44MZ-2 ($270 or thereabouts)
Both can add on the coming SCA-3602M-II TTL adaptor for Sony cameras.

mpenza · 3rd March 2003

The SCA adaptor would cost ~$100 more right?

f55user · 3rd March 2003

I don't know how much it costs, but I think it's quite a good purchase, as it's the only flash that can/will support TTL for the 717. Anyway, you can change different SCA adaptors if you change your camera, so the investment will not be wasted.

loleelu · 3rd March 2003

too bad for me, i've got a 707... i guess i'm stuck with the f1000...

f55user · 3rd March 2003

as above, you can try looking for the SCA 3602 M adaptor for the 707.

loleelu · 3rd March 2003

but i fail to understand how the set up will work... can explain? i know f1000 works with the cable connection w the 707, but how will the metz work? adaptor connects with a cable too? after that, essentially the same? or is it a slave?

f55user · 3rd March 2003

yes it connects with a cable.. if you go metz's website you can see the adaptor for the 707 is the SCA3602M. drop them an email if you want more details.. they're quite friendly in answering questions.

loleelu · 3rd March 2003

so how do the 2 metz compare to the f1000? are they much better, feature wise?

nathan · 4th March 2003

cam Nikon SB80DX flash use on Sony camera?

5th March 2003

Hi to all in club snap,

I am the "friend" that finkster has mentioned in this thread.
I am very fresh in the field of photography, digital or film, despite owning the digicam for more than a year.

so expect a little boy mentality when explaning the technical terms.

I am currently using a Casio QV-2900UX camera w/o any shoe, hot or cold to mount flashes.

My next intended purchase is the DSC-P717.

I am thinking of getting a external flash then can be used on both the cameras.

How's the SONY flash for the 717? is it capable of the above features mentioned in this thread?

Metz website only indicated SCA adpators for 707, but not 717, will there be any?

What about vivitar flashes? any recommedations? saw the 2000 and 2800, was wondering can use with 717 or not.

Astin · 5th March 2003

Hi newuser, you mean Sony F717 right? Not P717. The F717 has a hot-shoe and can use any flash, just mount it on the hot shoe and fire it. I have both the Sony flash and also a Nissin flash. The Sony flash is more expensive and weak in power. The Nissin flash is much more powerful and also cheaper. You can also try the Metz and Vivitar ones, Metz is German brank so the price is much higher.

f55user · 5th March 2003

Reply from Metz on SCA-adaptors for the Sony 717:

"currently the adapter SCA3602 version M doesn't fit completely to a F717 so that they not can be used in program mode. But, an up-grade to version M2 (M1 doesn't exist) is in preparation and will be launched at the end of march approximately."

mpenza · 5th March 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by newuser
Hi to all in club snap,
How's the SONY flash for the 717? is it capable of the above features mentioned in this thread?

Metz website only indicated SCA adpators for 707, but not 717, will there be any?

What about vivitar flashes? any recommedations? saw the 2000 and 2800, was wondering can use with 717 or not.

Welcome! The Sony flash can't be used on the Casio QV2900UX.

melly · 5th March 2003

dudes.. just in case you didn't read my other posts..

the sca adapter for the Metz is out for the F717..

it's going for $120..

and no it's not for the F707 but specifically for the F717.. I saw the price list myself

wormz777 · 5th March 2003

melly, do you know where in Singapore can we buy the adaptor for the 717?

melly · 5th March 2003

how come you all don't reply to my other posts one ah?

anyway it's at Cathay photo...
but you might have to wait if the agent doesn't have stock...

waiting time about 1-2 weeks

wormz777 · 5th March 2003

Anyone interested to get the adaptor together?

5th March 2003

Thanks for all the suggestions for the external flashes for the 717.

And to Astin: Yes, I meant the F717 not the P717, typo I guess.

Pardon me for sounding a little stupid....

What's TTL? I have been reading this term in various posts and I can't help wondering what it is.

The only "TTL" I know is related to electronics and circuits.

And what's the purpose of the SCA adaptor, knowing the 717 will probably take in a metz flash or any hotshoe flash w/o problem, what functions does the SCA adaptor add?

What if I don't get the SCA adaptor for 717? what am I missing?

It's just because the SCA and the Metz flash, kind of test the limits of my budget.

2nd March 2003	#1
finkster Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: LAS Posts: 648	Which external Flash for 717? I need some advice on which external flash unit to get. I know there are so many to choose from, so let me narrow it down just a little bit. 1) To be used on a simple digicam for now (Needs bracket to mount). Later to be used with a 717. 2) Cable & shoe triggered. 3) Ability to mount diffusers & bounce cards. 4) Auto-power output sensor. 5) Entry-level ($100-250) 6) Tilt-able head. Preferably with swivel as well. 7) Mountable on a bracket (as mentioned in the first point) Any opinions on Sony's HVL-F1000? Anyway, it's not for myself, but a friend who is planning to upgrade to a 717 in a few months. Meanwhile, he'll use it on a P&S digicam.

5th March 2003	#17
wormz777 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CCK Posts: 2,255	melly, do you know where in Singapore can we buy the adaptor for the 717? __________________ www.coolblackbox.com

5th March 2003	#19
wormz777 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CCK Posts: 2,255	Anyone interested to get the adaptor together? __________________ www.coolblackbox.com

3rd March 2003	#2
loleelu New Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Clementi Posts: 18	well, i've gathered that if you got a choice, don't get the f1000. check out the accessories list in the other thread.

3rd March 2003	#3
f55user Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "You Are Here" Posts: 276	Metz 32MZ-3 ($198) Metz 44MZ-2 ($270 or thereabouts) Both can add on the coming SCA-3602M-II TTL adaptor for Sony cameras.

3rd March 2003	#4
mpenza Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,402	The SCA adaptor would cost ~$100 more right?

4th March 2003	#11
nathan Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: singapore CCK Posts: 365	cam Nikon SB80DX flash use on Sony camera?

5th March 2003	#12
newuser Guests Posts: n/a	Hi to all in club snap, I am the "friend" that finkster has mentioned in this thread. I am very fresh in the field of photography, digital or film, despite owning the digicam for more than a year. so expect a little boy mentality when explaning the technical terms. I am currently using a Casio QV-2900UX camera w/o any shoe, hot or cold to mount flashes. My next intended purchase is the DSC-P717. I am thinking of getting a external flash then can be used on both the cameras. How's the SONY flash for the 717? is it capable of the above features mentioned in this thread? Metz website only indicated SCA adpators for 707, but not 717, will there be any? What about vivitar flashes? any recommedations? saw the 2000 and 2800, was wondering can use with 717 or not.

5th March 2003	#13
Astin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Astin Studio Posts: 4,735	Hi newuser, you mean Sony F717 right? Not P717. The F717 has a hot-shoe and can use any flash, just mount it on the hot shoe and fire it. I have both the Sony flash and also a Nissin flash. The Sony flash is more expensive and weak in power. The Nissin flash is much more powerful and also cheaper. You can also try the Metz and Vivitar ones, Metz is German brank so the price is much higher.

5th March 2003	#16
melly Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 236	dudes.. just in case you didn't read my other posts.. the sca adapter for the Metz is out for the F717.. it's going for $120.. and no it's not for the F707 but specifically for the F717.. I saw the price list myself