What's after D60 - EOS 10D (with real photo)

Wai · 23rd February 2003

Photo : http://www.pbase.com/geonahta10d/canon_10d&page%3D1

spec:
same sensor as D60
cheaper than D60
same body as D60
7 point AF, no eye control
ISO 100-1600 & 'H' mode : 3200?
White balance bracketing...
4 custom/preset colorspaces + Adobe RGB
3 fps

sources :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4448679
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4449739

shidenx · 23rd February 2003

cheaper than D60 when first released or current price?

Wai · 23rd February 2003

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Originally posted by shidenx
cheaper than D60 when first released or current price?

rumours says it is abt US$1500-US$1900

that's around S$3k?

shidenx · 23rd February 2003

The multi color profiles is cool. Hopefully its a rev-ed up version of the D60

Goldmember · 23rd February 2003

notice that the rear dial is much lower. this means that users need a longer thumb to operate comfortably (i already need to stretch my thumb to reach the rear dial button). if similar sensor is used i dun think that the AF will be much faster. judging from the specifications, D10 doesn't seems to have singificant changes at all, just minor improvement over D60.

Wai · 23rd February 2003

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Originally posted by Goldmember
if similar sensor is used i dun think that the AF will be much faster

sensor and AF system are two different things

AF system that D30/60 uses is rather.....lousy even if u compare with a cheap EOS 300

Those Canon staffs at the exhibtion already confirmed that 10D AF will be better...i am quite sure the the AF system will be something like EOS30/33...here are the similarities:

- 7point AF
- no AF assist lamp like D30/60
- a white colour sensor near the handle

These features both foundin EOS33 and 10D

mylau · 23rd February 2003

the AF system uses a separate sensor, it does not use the CMOS to focus on the subject.

Goldmember · 23rd February 2003

wonder if the D10 difference on AF speed and sensitivy is similar when comparing D60 with D30? i think the D60 is only slightly faster but still not up to the expectation to many users. agree?

Wai · 23rd February 2003

as pointed out by someone is dpreview forum

the firmware version is 1.2.2

which means the firmware should be very matured and probably the camera on display is already a production unit.

look like 10D will be avaliable very soon

quoted from the person who was the first who posted info abt 10D at dpreview...

"Not only that but this camera will be shipping within 2 weeks in most countries. Canon Asia and Europe already have substancial stocks of this camera as does Canon USA."

Red Dawn · 24th February 2003

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Originally posted by Goldmember
wonder if the D10 difference on AF speed and sensitivy is similar when comparing D60 with D30? i think the D60 is only slightly faster but still not up to the expectation to many users. agree?

as a former owner of the D30, i can say that a test with a friend's D60 shows that the AF speed of the D30 and the D60 is essentially the same.

the D60 feels faster due to its improved shutter lag times - the shutter release feels more immediate and sensitive. Also, the D60 has AF points that light up upon achieving focus, all of which contributes to the illusion that the AF is faster on the D60.

this new camera is interesting cos it boasts of a different AF sensor with a different set of AF points, which i hope will be more akin to that of the EOS 30.

StreetShooter · 24th February 2003

Well, looks really interesting to me. Not quite the 1D, but an acceptable compromise.

tomshen · 24th February 2003

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Originally posted by StreetShooter
Well, looks really interesting to me. Not quite the 1D, but an acceptable compromise.

yup doc, a good buy over D30.

A few things I like:

1. Faster AF. I have been very tired of shooting low light action like fashion show in AI servo mode with D60. Either I or the camera or both are too lousy to get sharp pix;
2. Better low light focusing speed. If u try 50-500 plus extension tube shooting low light with few contrasty lines, or shoot wide angle close-up without seeing through viewfinder ...;
3. 7 focusing points. I just found horizontally 3 are not enough, 5 points are just nice;
4. Cheaper. Maybe;
5. Better buttons layout. Espeically the top three buttons near main info panel;
6. Change color temperature. I am not sure if this will improve the color accuracy of white balance in daylight/auto mode.

Wish to see some nice 10D galleries soon...

Belleforte · 24th February 2003

Someone from Spain posted in the DPReview Forum that he has reserved a set of the new 10D for EUR3,000 (SGD5,100). Wonder how much the 10D will cost when it hit the shops in Singapore. I reckon that it will be comparable to the D60.

Wai · 24th February 2003

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Originally posted by Belleforte
Someone from Spain posted in the DPReview Forum that he has reserved a set of the new 10D for EUR3,000 (SGD5,100). Wonder how much the 10D will cost when it hit the shops in Singapore. I reckon that it will be comparable to the D60.

apparently he is the only one who says that it is Euro 3000 while everyone else in dpreview forum are estimating that it will be below US$2k....that's abt S$3k

Red Dawn · 24th February 2003

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Originally posted by Belleforte
Someone from Spain posted in the DPReview Forum that he has reserved a set of the new 10D for EUR3,000 (SGD5,100). Wonder how much the 10D will cost when it hit the shops in Singapore. I reckon that it will be comparable to the D60.

how can one reserve something that isn't even confirmed or announced officially?

come to think of it, now i kind of doubt the authenticity of the pictures. The "EOS 10D" logo is placed in a highly unconventional position for a EOS camera.

hmmm...... can anyone say doctored?

xmen1977 · 24th February 2003

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Originally posted by Red Dawn

how can one reserve something that isn't even confirmed or announced officially?

come to think of it, now i kind of doubt the authenticity of the pictures. The "EOS 10D" logo is placed in a highly unconventional position for a EOS camera.

hmmm...... can anyone say doctored?

totally agree on that

that logo sure doesnt conform to the standard of EOS design

Wai · 25th February 2003

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Originally posted by Red Dawn

hmmm...... can anyone say doctored?

hmm...doctored pic still can have EXIF data??

imaginary_number · 25th February 2003

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Originally posted by Wai

hmm...doctored pic still can have EXIF data??

The EXIF stays with the pic even after editing, doesn't it? I think it's cleared only with you copy and paste the pic into a new file.

Wai · 25th February 2003

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Originally posted by imaginary_number

The EXIF stays with the pic even after editing, doesn't it? I think it's cleared only with you copy and paste the pic into a new file.

oic....but those dun like like a doctored pic to me...

may be that 10D is a prototype unit and that's why the logo look so fake....cos some of those prototype units that i handle also like that....

also...10D may be just a code name for internal use..so the final product may not call 10D in the end?

anyway, look like there is no space on the left hand side of the body to put the logo also....

23rd February 2003	#1
Wai Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Pole with Penguin Posts: 5,185	What's after D60 - EOS 10D (with real LEAKED photo) Photo : http://www.pbase.com/geonahta10d/canon_10d&page%3D1 spec: same sensor as D60 cheaper than D60 same body as D60 7 point AF, no eye control ISO 100-1600 & 'H' mode : 3200? White balance bracketing... 4 custom/preset colorspaces + Adobe RGB 3 fps sources : http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4448679 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4449739 __________________ We are HDD of PC & FT are MB add to storage; so PC never hangs with enormous storage capacity - LKY Last edited by Wai; 23rd February 2003 at 02:14 PM.

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Goldmember Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Moon Posts: 377	notice that the rear dial is much lower. this means that users need a longer thumb to operate comfortably (i already need to stretch my thumb to reach the rear dial button). if similar sensor is used i dun think that the AF will be much faster. judging from the specifications, D10 doesn't seems to have singificant changes at all, just minor improvement over D60. Last edited by Goldmember; 23rd February 2003 at 03:36 PM.

23rd February 2003	#9
Wai Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Pole with Penguin Posts: 5,185	as pointed out by someone is dpreview forum the firmware version is 1.2.2 which means the firmware should be very matured and probably the camera on display is already a production unit. look like 10D will be avaliable very soon quoted from the person who was the first who posted info abt 10D at dpreview... "Not only that but this camera will be shipping within 2 weeks in most countries. Canon Asia and Europe already have substancial stocks of this camera as does Canon USA." __________________ We are HDD of PC & FT are MB add to storage; so PC never hangs with enormous storage capacity - LKY Last edited by Wai; 23rd February 2003 at 04:37 PM.

23rd February 2003	#2
shidenx Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 124	cheaper than D60 when first released or current price?

23rd February 2003	#7
mylau Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,801	the AF system uses a separate sensor, it does not use the CMOS to focus on the subject.

24th February 2003	#11
StreetShooter Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Katong Posts: 4,702	Well, looks really interesting to me. Not quite the 1D, but an acceptable compromise.

24th February 2003	#13
Belleforte Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Central Singapore Posts: 326	Someone from Spain posted in the DPReview Forum that he has reserved a set of the new 10D for EUR3,000 (SGD5,100). Wonder how much the 10D will cost when it hit the shops in Singapore. I reckon that it will be comparable to the D60.