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			<title>LIAR SCAMMER artemis/bluefrog/ed is back</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:44:32 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hello everyone, I’m not here to make trouble or to make a scene, but I’m just trying to voice out and help the young models out that from this wolf. Today, I was asked by Edwin (blue frog) to do a...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hello everyone, I’m not here to make trouble or to make a scene, but I’m just trying to voice out and help the young models out that from this wolf. Today, I was asked by Edwin (blue frog) to do a test shoot on sailor moon theme. Before the shoot, he didn’t show me the uniform and didn’t inform me to bring my own sets of clothes to change just in case the uniform was not the right size. I was really looking forward to the shoot, but I didn’t know this stupid photographer just make my day. When I reached there, I was asked to change into the uniform. I tried and realize that the skirt was bloody short that my undies can be seen even standing up. I understand model should be more daring and more open minded. But in the first place, he should had told me, how the uniform is like so I can prepare my boxers to wear today. I changed back to my own clothes and went out to tell him that the skirt was really very short and he keep forcing and insisting that I MUST wear it. I tried my best not to make a scene and explain to him nicely. But still he keep pestering me to wear and even asked me to wear the nurse uniform when he knows that its very short?! Then, he said since I’m already at clarke quay why not do a fashion shoot with him. I don’t get what’s wrong with my outfit seriously. I wore a tanktop with a big baggy shirt, a legging and a heels which is really the trend now and I don’t know why, he keep wanting me to wear a tanktop and a miniskirt and he said that my outfit is not nice?! Anyway, he went to ask his previous china model to lend me her skirt and she was rushing off too, but bluefrog keep insisting her to lend me… And guess what? After the shoot, we were negotiating the price for the shoot and I asked for $40 for one hour of sexy Japanese sailor moon theme and another hour for fashion but he said its too high and said he only can give me 20 for the whole of 2HOURS group shoot even if there’s a lot of photographers shooting and he said he’s going to charge each photographer 20?! So isn’t he earning more than me when he had to do nothing but to make me angry?<br />
<br />
Another incident happens during October when, bluefrog asked me to go to Arab Street’s studio for bridal test shoot. He told me that I’ll be the main model for the bridal group shoot and it was one day notice before the actual test shoot in the bridal shop. When I reached the place, I realized that the place is a studio instead of a bridal shop though there is just a few piece of wedding gown. What I am really angry about is, that during the test shoot I was asked to sign a form stating that I will not receive any pictures from the studio when bluefrog told me the day before that I will get to keep a lot of photos taken by the PRO photographers. And next is that, after the shoot, he told me that the group shoot was cancelled?! How can a group shoot be cancel just like that when I already went for the test shoot and he even confirmed that I’m the main model? And I DON’T GET PAID FOR WASTING ALMOST 6HOURS for this shoot?<br />
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<br />
I didn’t want to make a big fuss of it but because after today’s shoot I feel so sad and pissed off, I went to complain to my photographer friends and I got to know about an ex-organizer called Artemis. And I remember that bluefrog once told me that his old nick is Artemis, a very successful organizer which will help a lot models to be famous, and even now he is using a china  girl  named APPLE to help him answer phone whenever people called the number in clubsnap’s photoshoot thread to check for details. Everyone please be careful! Artemis is BLUEFROG and his real name is Edwin! Don’t fall into his trap models!</div>

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			<title>What do you think of paying a model for shooting?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:52:29 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[How many of you think its okay and worth  hiring a model for photoshooting? 
 
Would you thought of it's more worthwhile to view others photographers pictures who have shoot them eventhough it come...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>How many of you think its okay and worth  hiring a model for photoshooting?<br />
<br />
Would you thought of it's more worthwhile to view others photographers pictures who have shoot them eventhough it come across that some of your favorite models that you intend to shoot? <br />
<br />
Or just viewing those model pictures online and if want to shoot potraits just ask your girlfriend, sister or friend for shooting?<br />
<br />
Share your view here :-).</div>

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			<title>Cheapest used camera/lenses shop in Asia</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:56:38 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Among this countries which one sell the cheapest used camera or lenses? 
 
1) Korea 
2) Hong Kong 
3) Taiwan</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Among this countries which one sell the cheapest used camera or lenses?<br />
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1) Korea<br />
2) Hong Kong<br />
3) Taiwan</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Ren Ci founder sentenced to 10 months' jail]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:45:54 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Image: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/imagegallery/store/php1sCKAb.jpg  
 
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1019607/1/.html</description>
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			<dc:creator>dreaming</dc:creator>
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			<title>L4D2 anyone??</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:42:17 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>does anybody here play l4d2?? :D</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>does anybody here play l4d2?? :D</div>

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			<dc:creator>nysheng</dc:creator>
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			<title>why do people hold DSLR like that?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:51:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Attended a seminar recently, and saw this guy holding the DSLR like that and taking photos of the participants. 
Image: http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm55/hkrlim/IdiotwDslr.jpg  
1) It's indoor,...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Attended a seminar recently, and saw this guy holding the DSLR like that and taking photos of the participants.<br />
<div align="center"><img src="http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm55/hkrlim/IdiotwDslr.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></div>1) It's indoor, so the shutter speed is likely to be low. Every bit of stability helps, even though the camera has in-built stabilisation. Holding such a large weight so far away from the body can't be steady at all.<br />
2) I think he looks a bit silly holding a DSLR like that.<br />
<br />
Anyway, I saw him reviewing the photos on LCD and frowning, so I presume they weren't too sharp.</div>

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			<dc:creator>ZerocoolAstra</dc:creator>
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			<title>no internet connection ? Absurd</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:53:05 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>when you shop for a laptop at funan IT mall. Very often that the sales will tell you no wifi no internet connection. Since i getting a laptop primarily for surfing, i would need to ensure the wifi,...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>when you shop for a laptop at funan IT mall. Very often that the sales will tell you no wifi no internet connection. Since i getting a laptop primarily for surfing, i would need to ensure the wifi, loading capability is satisfatory. What are they trying to hide? <br />
Ps. I could easily connect to wireless@sg using my own laptop. why can't they?</div>

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			<dc:creator>dreaming</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[I'm such a bustard!]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:50:49 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[me: 50d body selling for $1500. 
 
Buyer: [said something like] SLS selling less than $1600. 
 
me: How about 1450? mine is brand new. never used before. 
 
Buyer: Hi.my best offer is $1300. Thanks....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>me: 50d body selling for $1500.<br />
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Buyer: [said something like] SLS selling less than $1600.<br />
<br />
me: How about 1450? mine is brand new. never used before.<br />
<br />
Buyer: Hi.my best offer is $1300. Thanks.<br />
<br />
me: sorry but it has been reserved for 1250<br />
<br />
Buyer: There is no deal before viewing right?I reserved $1300. You can said someone offer more...<br />
<br />
me: not so nice since I arrange to meet him later tonight<br />
<br />
Buyer: I don't understand. How come you deal the price without meet the buyer... Usualy viewing 1st, then talk about the price.<br />
<br />
me: Wat is there to view? Brand new set with full warranty.<br />
<br />
Buyer: Ha ha. you are correct.Ithink I miss it.Then you will sell it for $1250?Just give to the highest bid.. You will get more..Update the items on CS<br />
<br />
me: so u want to offer 1300? when can u meet?<br />
<br />
Buyer:Hi.am still in office. How about 9pm Orchard area?<br />
<br />
me: Can u pick up at my palce in JE?<br />
<br />
me: meet at the je mrt. Let me know before u come over<br />
<br />
<br />
[Night time]<br />
<br />
Buyer: Hi.I will arrive at 9.30pm JE. Is it okey?<br />
<br />
me: [didn't get sms so no reply]<br />
<br />
[15 mins later]<br />
<br />
Buyer: Am on the way. will arive about 9.30pm.see you at JE.<br />
<br />
me: Sorry. Someone else offered me 1480<br />
<br />
Buyer: Oh man. I am on my way already! you dont tell me before!<br />
<br />
me: told u to contact me before u come. Sorry. U want to offer higher?<br />
<br />
Buyer: You didn't tell me to contact you.just inform you before I go which is I did.You are not fair seller. forget it!!!..<br />
<br />
Buyer: I have all your sms stupid!<br />
<br />
Buyer: Eat money!<br />
<br />
me: There's no deal before viewing right?<br />
<br />
me: u told me to give to the highest bid. I get more money<br />
<br />
Buyer: Ha ha.you are quick learner. but not me. stop this sms..<br />
<br />
me: Eat back all your own words.</div>

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			<dc:creator>weekh</dc:creator>
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			<title>Photo shopping with drew ?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:44:41 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[High all, 
 
Just wondering if anyone here does any photo shopping work on the "Drew Curtis" website :bigeyes: 
 
There is often some quite clever and imaginative work done there. 
 
All of it is for...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>High all,<br />
<br />
Just wondering if anyone here does any photo shopping work on the &quot;Drew Curtis&quot; website :bigeyes:<br />
<br />
There is often some quite clever and imaginative work done there.<br />
<br />
All of it is for fun !!!!<br />
<br />
If you have not come across it before it is simply .... <a href="http://www.fark.com/" target="_blank">http://www.fark.com/</a><br />
<br />
I can't remember how I came across it, but I have seen some great work there.<br />
<br />
Cheers :)</div>

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			<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
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			<title>challenge:see how long you can last without laughing (R21)</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:22:12 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[challenge yourself, see how long you can last without laughing. 
 
i lasted only about 2-3 seconds... 
(btw, it's R21 ok?) 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fA3x_75O4]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>challenge yourself, see how long you can last without laughing.<br />
<br />
i lasted only about 2-3 seconds...<br />
(btw, it's R21 ok?)<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fA3x_75O4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0fA3x_75O4</a></div>

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			<dc:creator>jeanie</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Anyone knows when it'll stop raining?]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:07:36 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I mean when the rainy season will be over... :( 
 
Image: http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7175/screenshot006dk.jpg  *</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I mean when the rainy season will be over... :(<br />
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<img src="http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7175/screenshot006dk.jpg" border="0" alt="" /> *</div>

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			<dc:creator>eyes</dc:creator>
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			<title>Bukit Timah area got flooded</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:35:13 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Whether they call it flash flood, or giant water ponding, the damage is there. 
 
Cars were damaged, like those caught in knee high water or those park in underground carparks.  Wonder if the damage...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Whether they call it flash flood, or giant water ponding, the damage is there.<br />
<br />
Cars were damaged, like those caught in knee high water or those park in underground carparks.  Wonder if the damage could be claim by insurance, the comprehensive kind.  Never bordered to read the insurance document at all.<br />
<br />
Well, for me, I will think twice before parking in a risky carpark like in 6 Ave, Serene Centre or Coronation.  <br />
<br />
Maybe, there should be signboard to warn motorist of flooding risk in those basement carpark.<br />
<br />
Wonder how many of those staying in big and expensive homes were affected.:think:<br />
<br />
Fortunately, NEA, formerly the Drainage Dept has done a good job in the prevention of flood. :thumbsup: Flooding has become rare these days.</div>

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			<dc:creator>La Fontaine</dc:creator>
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			<title>Just wondering who is using Win 7 x64</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:02:25 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>So.... how many of you changed to Win 7 already and using 64bit? 
 
Im thinking of going to x64 but need to understand and know more if some programs are working fine on x64 system. :cool:</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>So.... how many of you changed to Win 7 already and using 64bit?<br />
<br />
Im thinking of going to x64 but need to understand and know more if some programs are working fine on x64 system. :cool:</div>

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			<title>where to repair ipod?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:35:50 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>i have a ipod 30gb classic that went dead.warranty confirmed over. 
 
do i send it back to them for repairs or you guys know of any repair shops? 
 
thanks</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>i have a ipod 30gb classic that went dead.warranty confirmed over.<br />
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do i send it back to them for repairs or you guys know of any repair shops?<br />
<br />
thanks</div>

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			<dc:creator>jeanie</dc:creator>
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			<title>Do u tink HCB would have used m4/3 if he were alive now?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:19:47 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I been reading abit about Mr HCB. Wah he like bery tokong. Grandfather of rangefinder lei. Wins so many award. 
 
 
I got one interesting thought, since Mr HCB is such an advocate on stealth...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I been reading abit about Mr HCB. Wah he like bery tokong. Grandfather of rangefinder lei. Wins so many award.<br />
<br />
<br />
I got one interesting thought, since Mr HCB is such an advocate on stealth photography (eg. I read that he put black tape on his Leica to make it less obvious), do u tink he will prefer to use m4/3?<br />
<br />
<br />
Put another way, m4/3 due to LCD screen is better for stealth when employed for street photography, yes?<br />
<br />
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wad u tink hah</div>

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